Judy, I don't want to leave without saying something to you about this. You're right in a way; even though doctrine cannot by itself produce a godly life, you probably didn't mean that. What you say is true, doctrine can nudge you in one direction of practice or another, and is important.
 
I will also take back my suggestion that you misunderstand on purpose. I will live as if you don't.
 
As for the rest of the questions, I have to let them go, I really must get off now. Till later, sister!
 
Debbie
 
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Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

 
 
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 12:54:04 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy, I will point out that this is typical of your tendency to misread or distort. I did not say that Christ
cannot live without us, and I don't think you truly believe that I did.
 
There you go accusing me of evil motives.  You ppl sure do a lot of accusing.  You wrote:
 
We are the weak link in the chain. 
To the extent we are able to live out our reconciliation to God at all, it is because of Christ in us.
But it is not Christ without us who lives.
 
Since you believe I have it wrong - then would you please explain - what is the chain
and why the last line - what does it mean?
 
In another post today, you wrote:
Any doctrine that does not lead ppl professing Christ into godliness and holiness is a doctrine of devils.
 
Doctrines cannot lead people into godliness and holiness, so I guess all of them are from the devil.
 
Sure they can and they do Debbie; they lead you in one direction or another just like a road map according to
whether they are the truth or the lie. What you believe with regard to Christ is important. God does not bless
ignorance.
 
But the doctrine you are slamming has no conflict with encouraging people to live godly and holy lives,
nor does it demotivate people. On the contrary (as I've said numerous times) it suggests a different and
powerful motivation.
 
What doctrine do you think I am "slamming"?  We've been discussing several.  judyt
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

Can you explain to me how and why you see this as such a profound truth Terry?
What is the chain? Can it be seen in scripture and who says Christ can not live without us?
If God can make rocks cry out - what are his limitations?   jt
 
Terry writes:
This is without doubt the most profound truth stated here today.  Possibly, for all time.  Terry
 
 
We are the weak link in the chain. 
To the extent we are able to live out our reconciliation to God at all, it is because of Christ in us.
But it is not Christ without us who lives.
 

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