Read and noted, David. I do not consider the "ungodly men" in Jude to have ever been "Christians" (in that they had not received the seal of the Holy Spirit); although I do consider them to have been redeemed by Christ.
In terms of interpreting Jesus' words, I try to let his apostles have the first say: i.e., it is the commentary of their epistles that takes precedence over my own, and their interpretation of Jesus that informs me. As to how consistent I am in doing this, I may not be the best judge :>) hence I will also continue to consider your commentary alongside my own, as I attempt to place them both under that of the apostles. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mary/Scripture/transubstantiation/interpretation > Bill wrote: > > In this case of the men in Jude, there is no evidence > > to suggest that they had ever believed or were once > > Christians at all; this even though they had been > > redeemed by the Sovereign -- or Master or Lord > > (cf. despotan). > > This depends on how you define "Christian." In 1 Cor. 10 that I quoted from > in my previous post, he those who came out of Egypt as having been baptized > in the sea and as having drank from that rock which is Christ. This would > include men like Korah who was cast down into hell while still alive. Was > he ever "saved." Well, he was saved from slavery in Egypt, which signifies > our being saved from sin, but he never entered the promised land, which > signifies the kingdom of God. He also suffered the judgment of God, because > of his unbelief. His salvation experience of being delivered from Egypt > (the world system and sin) did not help him. > > Bill wrote: > > As for what happens to a "brother" who fails to produce good > > works, Paul addresses this in 2 Corinthians 3.12-15: > > This passage speaks about brothers who were building upon the foundation > which Paul had already laid down. The passage is not a comprehensive "get > out of jail free card" for anyone who fails to produce good works. Rather, > it speaks more to the quality of good works that they do. > > Following is what Jesus said about those who fail to produce good works: > > Matthew 25:30 > (30) And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall > be weeping and gnashing of teeth. > > Matthew 25:45-46 > (45) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as > ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. > (46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous > into life eternal. > > Matthew 25:11-13 > (11) Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. > (12) But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. > (13) Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the > Son of man cometh. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
