But our wonder should be far greater when we find that in obedience to the words of his priests - HOC EST CORPUS MEUM - God himself descends on the altar, that he comes wherever they call him and as often as they call him, and places [pg. 27] himself in their hands, even though they should be be his enemies. And after having come, he remains, entirely at their disposal they move him as they please, from one place to another, they may, if they wish, shut him up in the tabernacle, expose him on the altar, or carry him outside the church; they may, if they choose, eat his flesh, and give him for the food of others. "Oh, how very great is their power," says St. Lawrence Justinian, speaking of priests. "A word falls from their lips and the body of Christ is there substantially formed from the matter of bread, and the Incarnate Word descended from heaven, is found really present on the table of the altar! Never did divine goodness give such power to the angels. The angels abide by the order of God, but the priests take him in their hands, distribute him to the faithful, and partake of him as food for themselves."
Source: The Dignity and Duties of the Priest or Selva, by St. Alphonsus de Liguori, translated from the Italian, edited by Eugene Grimm, copyright 1927 by Very Rev. James Barron, C.SS.R, pgs. 26-27.
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Huh? What religious hocus pocus? Yes, spiritual discernment does have a place in my economy. I discern, apparently along with others on TT, that YOU AND DAVID MISSHANDLE THE SCRIPTURES ON SOME IMPORTANT MATTERS SOME OF THE TIME.Another possibility:On these selfsame issues it is you who handle the Scriptures correctly while those in disagreement with you do not.Another possibility:Both factions are incorrect and, there exists a third (4th, 5th, 6th) interpretation/understanding as yet undiscovered by both 'factions'.----- Original Message -----From: Judy TaylorSent: July 10, 2005 08:04Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE IN CHRISTGoodness Lance,Wrong is wrong, right is right. Truth is truth. Error is error.No matter where we see it. What is it with you and all this religious hocus pocus?Does spiritual discernment have any place at all in your economy? jtOn Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:18:20 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm open to a fuller distinction being drawn between the RCC and the
> (non-existent) DMC. Do you have a home church? Are you the leading
> teacher?
> (deleneate your role within). Indeed, I may have a flawed perception
> on
> this.
>
> How may we be defining God's Spirit differently, David?
>
> I watched a documentary recently which dealt with Benny Hinn's
> ministry. A
> forensic accountant was brought in to analyze the paper trail
> (credit card
> slips, cheques etc.).Interesting. Also, I remember 'The Amazing
> Randi'
> appearing on the Carson show in order to play a recording he'd made
> of
> Peter Popoff feigning a word of knowledge while listening to his
> wife
> speaking to him through an earpiece. People whom God invests with
> 'authority' are accountable. You aren't saying more than this vis a
> vis some
> catholics you've known (of) are you?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: July 09, 2005 21:30
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE IN CHRIST
>
>
> > Lance wrote:
> > > The MAIN POINT IS that there are many Catholic
> > > believers, filled with God's Spirit who worship and
> > > serve God faithfully within the RCC just as do you
> > > in tthe DMC. Error is present within both.
> >
> > There is no DMC, Lance. Somehow you just don't get it. There are
> only
> the
> > churches of the Lord Jesus Christ. I refuse to compete with Jesus
> like
> the
> > RCC does, so you will never find a DMC.
> >
> > You and I define God's Spirit differently.
> >
> > You might like to know that a catholic man deceived my sister
> into
> adultery
> > and divorce and has caused my family all manner of heartache which
> has
> > continued for more than a decade to this very day. A catholic
> also
> married
> > my identical twin brother, and I see the hypocrisy there. I
> constantly
> tell
> > her that I'm a better catholic than she is in regards to the
> moral
> teachings
> > of her church. My own mother came out of Roman Catholicism and
> will not
> > step foot again in a Roman Catholic Church. So there are personal
> issues
> > here to consider when you talk about the RCC and "faithfully
> serving God."
> >
> > How about naming just one Roman Catholic who I can invite over to
> my
> house,
> > who will break bread at the Lord's table together with me and my
> family,
> and
> > who will join us in worship and the teaching of God's Holy Word.
> If I can
> > meet just one, then maybe I will believe that there are many. I
> meet many
> > Roman Catholics at abortion clinics protesting, and we can stand
> together
> on
> > that cause, but that is not the same thing as fellowship in the
> Lord.
> I've
> > had RC's invite me to participate in their mass, but I refuse if I
> cannot
> > break the bread with them. What hypocrisy, to call me their
> brother in
> > Christ and then refuse me communion. Talk about confusion.
> >
> > Lest you misunderstand, I believe that God's Spirit works within
> the RCC
> > just as he does throughout the world, calling people unto him, but
> to
> > characterize the RCC as being comprised as "faithful servants" of
> God like
> > those found in the congregations where I fellowship... that is
> going a bit
> > too far. Just in the area of pedophilia they have us beat, not to
> mention
> > adultery, divorce, etc.
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
> >
> > ----------
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> you may
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