Jt, surprisingly says that the parables are no different
(than the Lord of the Rings). Now, there's a step forward.
Jt as for an explanation of the _expression_ 'out of hand'. Rather than that just let me say that you
might consider not adopting a 'Jesus vs the Pharisees' stance when speaking of
him, others, Nicea, Church Fathers, theology per se and the like. As Judy
Taylor says: 'stick to the Scriptures'! You little to nothing of the
foregoing so, why not just give 'em a pass when you see 'wm?
Jesus vs the pharisees is not my stance toward
Torrance After all the pharisees did sit in the seat of Moses and
Jesus said to do what they said - however they were
hypocrites so noone was to follow their example - As for
Torrance I don't receive what he says - and who knows
what he does. jt.
Well, sort of like LOR, Judy. Good observation. But,
Jesus' parables (stories) certainly come closer.
What is your understanding of the parables,
Judy?
The parables are no different, they are given to
illustrate spiritual realities to which common understanding
is blind.
When the disciples question Jesus about why he
spake in parables he said nothing about "common understanding"
In fact he used them as
a type of judgment ie "Because it is given unto you (disciples) to know the
mysteries of the
kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For
whosoever hath to him shall be given and he shall have more
abundance but whosoever hath not, from him shall be
taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in
parables because they seeing see not and hearing
they hear not, neither do they understand.... (Matt 13:10-17)
As an aside, Judy. Feel free not to pursue the 'content of
TFT'. Just make an attemp not to critique him out of hand in the future,
please?
What do you mean by "out of hand?"
Lance Muir wrote:
Each living person draws upon two quite distinct
sources of meaning. The current 'vulgate' or
common understanding. This is that which enables us to communicate with one another.
Hidden beneath this is a 'private thesaurus'. What any two people
mean when they speak or hear will overlap only to a certain extent
by virtue of their sharing the 'vulgate'
of a particular human group.
The above is myth. No person ever receives
revelation from God through "cultural or common
vulgate/understanding" and the Bible is a closed book to those who
possess that alone.
No reader comes to a text as a
'cultural virgin'. Our readings are affected at the outset by
pre-understanding and private thesaurus.The meaning which we
retrieve from a text will never be absolutely identical with the
meaning which it had for its author or, for any other
reader.
Thoughts of a "natural man" Lance.
Doesn't matter how many cultures one understands the issue is
natural vs spiritual when it comes to
understanding God's Word. One is life the other is
death. Oh and BTW this is not just a "story" it is life vs
death.
Meaning is something which 'happens' when we read
the text and which is like the knowledge of the Lord in which the
Psalmist rejoiced, new every morning. This is
not a transparent text through which we view something else. It
is like a stained glass window depicting a story. It is 'the story
we find ourselves in'.
Sure Lance, it's just like Lord of the
Rings....
