Hello, Christine. John 16:13-14 does not apply to the general Christian population -- that is a position I affirm and your farther apparently denies. I defend my point by appealing to the actual context of John 16 -- noting the fact that Christ is speaking to his disciple (especially the 12) and to no one else in that passage. Your father goes out of this passage and appeals to Acts 2:38-39. I believe that Acts 2:38-39 applies to us today and John 16 to the disciples who knew Him from the beginning (John 15:27). Our discussion also applies to Mark 16: 15-18.
JD
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From: Christine Miller <verilysaid@yahoo.com>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm
Hi JD, how is my father's post out of context? I would be interested to hear you thoughts on this. Blessings! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Like I said David -- you are way out of context > here and you know it. Shall I take time to > prove the contextual point of John 16 and Mark 16? > I can and will be happy to do so. > > JD > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:20:06 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > > > John wrote: > > No -- somebody forgot to tell you. Because > > you have no resepct for "context" in this case is > > of no matter to me. But context is very > important. > > Without it, we have the fantasy that accompanies > > snake handling and ex-cathedra spiritual > pronouncements > > brought, forever, into modern times. > > Sorry, John, but you are not going to sneak by with > the lame "out of > context" argument. > > The point is that the Holy Ghost continues to > operate this way whether you > recognize it or not. You are free to testify to us > that the Holy Spirit > does not operate in your life the way it is promised > in John 16:13, but you > cannot testify to others that he does not operate in > the lives of anybody > else like that. > > Jesus gave promises about the Holy Spirit and how he > would operate in the > lives of believers. Peter made it very clear that > this promise was not > restricted to just the eleven apostles at that > moment in time. > > Acts 2:38-39 > "Then Peter said unto them ... ye shall receive the > gift of the Holy Ghost. > For the promise is unto you, and to your children, > and to all that are afar > off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with > salt, that you may know how > you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, > send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be > unsubscribed. If you have a friend > who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > he will be subscribed. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
