Actually, David, I take that back: I do not think you are "playing with words" or deliberately being "evasive" in your answers. I think your answers are indicative of you, just the way you are -- and I need to accept that. Please just disregard my comments and forgive me for the ad hom.
Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) > I will be quite honest with you, David. I think you are playing with words > here and being evasive. When I use the word "study," I use it inclusively of > all our activities having to do with the reading of Scripture, and not in > some limited sense with regards to formal training. If you want to go back > and re-answer the questions with that in mind, feel free to do so. If not, > then drop it. > > Either way you have enough information now to know why I took offense at > Terry's statement. > > Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the > Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) > > > > Bill wrote: > > > Put another way, David: If I said I didn't know > > > you any better than I know Vladimir Kramnik, > > > would you think there something amiss with my > > > faculties? > > > > Yes. > > > > Bill wrote: > > > What do you think: > > > 1) Are you better equipped to determine the 'writerly intent' > > > of the biblical authors now, after all your many years of study, > > > than you were two months into your reading of Scripture? > > > > I probably don't have enough information to answer this. :-) > > > > There are many reasons for my Biblical studies, but understanding the > > author's intent is not real high on the list. I would say that Biblical > > study more often gives me more confidence about my understanding of the > > author's intent. > > > > Bill wrote: > > > 2) Why did Jesus command the disciples to "teach" > > > new disciples to obey everything he had commanded? > > > > Because people have a tendency to stray away from obeying him. Exhorting > > one another and urging one another to walk in love helps us keep on track. > > Teaching is helpful, but not necessary. > > > > Bill wrote: > > > And in conjunction with this: Why did he not > > > just say, Leave the teaching to me, since "I will > > > be with you always, until the end of the age"? > > > > Because we are his mouthpiece on the earth. He teaches through us. We > > teach primarily because he is with us always, until the end of the age. > > > > Bill wrote: > > > What would you want us to conclude about you, David: > > > 1) that you are better equipped now, after years of study > > > in God's word, to determine the writerly intent of the biblical > > > authors, or > > > 2) that you were better equipped two months into your study > > > than you are today? > > > > I don't see where being "better equipped now" means all that much in > regards > > to the question of understanding the intent of the author. We have a very > > different perspective about this that is rather fascinating. I have been > > very surprised by your reaction to Lance mentioning your name, and even > more > > so by the turmoil that you have raised over Terry's post. I can study for > > years, and then one day the Holy Spirit says, "David, I am going to teach > > you now about what I meant when I said ..." Well, I'm blown away. All > the > > study in the world does not lead me to that understanding. My studies > might > > confirm it, but study itself often leaves open many options concerning > > intent. It is only by revelation that we really know his intent. > > > > Bill wrote: > > > Tell me, David, knowing what I do about you, and this from > > > my time with you on TT, would you be insulted if I told you > > > that I didn't have enough information on either you or Vladimir > > > Kramnik to determine which of your observations would more > > > likely approximate 'writerly intent' (and this knowing -- > > > hypothetically, of course -- that he was only two months into his > > > study of Scripture)? > > > > No, I honestly would not be insulted in the least. Sorry. I think that > > perhaps the insult comes from your perspective that greater study means a > > better understanding of the author's intent. My perspective is that there > > are many factors to consider in knowing whether or not someone is going to > > grasp the intent of Scripture. Saying that you need more information to > > answer makes fine sense to me. > > > > Bill wrote: > > > Wouldn't you expect that my knowledge of you alone > > > should be enough to suffice in answering the question? > > > > No. I would hope this guy had such an encounter with God's Spirit that we > > both speak the same way and understand the Spirit's intent in the same > way. > > I don't think he needs years of study in order to get that. I would hope > > that when I shared what I understood, the guy would say, "yeah, that is > > exactly what I see too!" When he shared, I would say, "Amen!" Actually, > I > > have met men half my age and newly born again where I have had such > > experiences, so this is a little more than just hypothetical. > > > > Bill wrote: > > > Tell me, David, would you think my intent was to insult > > > you, if I responded, instead with, it's hard to tell based > > > on the limited information I have on either man? > > > > No, Bill, I would not think that you would be intending to insult me. We > > honestly have different perspectives about what it takes for a person to > > have a proper understanding of Scripture. > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller. > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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