Perry, I do not make being a Christian a litmus test of whether or not I believe a person. I take into account their history. Some claim to be Christians and aren't, but are liars instead. Some claim not to be Christians but I still assume they are telling the truth if I have never known them to be a liar. I try to assume the best of anyone. But if they have proved themselves to be unworthy of trust I keep that in mind. If they continually accuse others of lying w/o any basis for it, I find that to be indicative of their own character. I think God expects us to assume the best, but to be a prudent judge of "fruit" (character) as well. Any problem with that? izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:29 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for li Izzy, No, I was not implying that BT thinks Terry is not a Christian. I was trying to find out if you really take 1 Cor 13 to heart, and point out that if someone is indeed a Christian, but you do not think they are, that you may not take them at their word, in which case you would not be taking 1 Cor 13 to heart. The statement you made that prompted this inquiry is, "I do believe that I Cor 13 exhorts us to take a Believer at his word, does it not? How else would love behave?" This is important to me since there are some on TT who I think are Christians but you think are not Christians (and I am not talking about the Mormon boys). I was thinking that if they indeed are Christians, and you said it was possible that you could be wrong in your discernement, that if you do not take them at their word (which you often do not), that you were not taking 1 Cor 13 to heart. Perry >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the >Scriptures for li >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:00:48 -0500 > >I usually try to give anyone the benefit of a doubt or assume the best of >them, Christian or not, unless I have reason not to. So are you implying >that BT doesn't think Terry is a Christian? iz > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke >Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:51 AM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the >Scriptures for li > >Izzy, > > If you believe one is not a Christian, then you are not compelled to >take > >him at his word, a la 1 Cor 13, right? > >Perry > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the > >Scriptures for li > >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:57:01 -0500 > > > >Certainly. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry >Locke > >Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:45 PM > >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the > >Scriptures for li > > > >Izzy, > > > > Can you be wrong in your discernment about who is a Christian and who > >is > >not, perhaps believing one who is indeed a Chrisian to not be so? > > > >Perry > > > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the > > >Scriptures for li > > >Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:48:09 -0500 > > > > > >I don't know of any reason to believe that Terry is not a follower of > > >Christ. Some folks claim to follow Christ but their fruit shows > >otherwise, > > >in which case Jesus said to judge by the fruit, not by the talk. Some > >folks > > >on TT state they don't know what it means to be born again, some claim >to > > >be > > >followers of JSmith, etc. I choose to believe a person's statement >about > > >him/herself unless they prove themselves to be speaking >falsely--whether > > >that is intentional or not. How about you, Perry? Do you believe the > > >mormons, for instance, when they claim to be true followers of Jesus > > >Christ? > > >I don't because I know they can't follow JSmith and Jesus at the same > >time. > > >izzy > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry > >Locke > > >Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:49 AM > > >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the > > >Scriptures for li > > > > > >Izzy, how do you know who is a believer to decide if you should take >him > >at > > >his word? Some on this group say they are believers but you do not > >believe > > >that they are. If they are believers, regardless of whether you think > >they > > >are believers or not, aren't you breaking 1 Cor 13 if you do not take > >them > > >at their word? > > > > > >Perry > > > > > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting >the > > > >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) > > > >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:21:03 -0500 > > > > > > > >I do believe that I Cor 13 exhorts us to take a Believer at his word, > > >does > > > >it not? How else would love behave? iz > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:55 AM > > > >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting >the > > > >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) > > > > > > > >David wrote concerning Terry's comment: I found nothing dishonest in > >what > > > >you wrote. ... There was definitely a problem in reading you. > > > > > > > >David, how do you presume to know this, other than in the say way the > > >rest > > > >of us might? Terry's word will have to suffice, as far as I'm > >concerned. > > > >Are > > > >you privy to something we're not? > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:37 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting >the > > > >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry wrote: > > > > > > I make a simple statement that there is not enough > > > > > > information to tell who would be the the most accurate > > > > > > interpreter of scriptures or the most mature believer > > > > > > between Bill, who I have never met, and a Russian, > > > > > > who I have never heard of. That is hardly placing one > > > > > > of you in Hell and the other outside the body of the > > > > > > Church. If that comment is less than honest, explain > > > > > > to me where I would have gotten the information needed > > > > > > to reach the same conclusion as Lance. > > > > > > > > > > I found nothing dishonest in what you wrote, Terry. I was amazed > >that > > > >your > > > > > post was interpreted the way it was. There was definitely a >problem > > >in > > > > > reading you. > > > > > > > > > > You mention something in this post that is somewhat interesting. > >You > > > > > mention both "accurate interpreter of scriptures" and "most mature > > > > > believer." Do you think these are related? Are more mature > >believers > > > >more > > > > > accurate interpreters of Scripture? My comments on this thread > > > >concerned > > > > > only the ability to understand the intent of the Holy Ghost in the > > > >Scripture > > > > > he inspired to be written. Perhaps part of the disconnect in > > > >communicating > > > > > on this is that some connect the idea of "accuracy interpreter of > > > > > scriptures" and "maturity of believers" in a more definite way. > >That > > > >was > > > > > perhaps part of Lance's perspective, that one cannot accurately > > > >interpret > > > > > Scripture without having time for maturity, regardless of the > > > >involvement > > > >of > > > > > the Holy Spirit. > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? Is the maturity of the believer something > > >important > > > >in > > > > > regards to the ability to understand the intended meaning of > > >Scripture? > > > >Is > > > > > maturity a requirement before one can understand the Holy Spirit's > > > >intent > > > >in > > > > > Scripture? > > > > > > > > > > Peace be with you. > > > > > David Miller. > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that >you > > >may > > > >know how you ought to answer every man." 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