Or as Historians http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/mormhist.htm ON BEING A MORMON HISTORIAN
EXed Mormon Historians http://www.lds-mormon.com/sepsix.shtml http://www.sweenytod.com/rno/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=449 Lavina Fielding Anderson, who in 1993 was excommunicated along with several other historians, biblical scholars and amateur theologians KEEP SOME THINGS UNDER WRAPS: "There is a TEMPTATION for the writer or teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not. Some things that are true are not very useful. . . In the Church we are not neutral. We are one sided. There is a war going on, and we are engaged in it. . ." (Boyd K. Packer, "The Mantle is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect," BYU Studies, Summer 1981, pp. 263, 267 --- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A Christian apostle told us Judas was a thief long before there were > any > Mormons. Gospel according to John. Don't pay too much attention to > Mormons or sociologists. Neither of them have a good grasp of > reality. > > Terry > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Blainer: Aagg!! That makes me cringe, that God sets someone up to > > > fill a role that had to be filled. I think Judas had a clear > choice, > > and chose to be what he was, the same as all the other apostles. > He > > just made a wrong choice. His knowledge of the truth could have > armed > > him against such an act. There is a sociological theory which > > basically says, "politics loves a vacuum." This means if there is > a > > social role to fill, someone sooner or later will fill it. Judas > was > > the loser who chose to fill that role as the detractor and > betrayer. > > But it could have been anyone else. Satan did the same in the > > pre-existence. He chose to fill the role of the jealous rival. > > Perhaps jealousy had something to do with Judas, also. A Mormon > > apostle claims Judas was an unrepentant thief, which led him into > the > > final act. Just rambling, but lots of possibilities here. > > > > > > In a message dated 7/20/2005 5:00:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > The potter has every right to use the clay as He chooses, > Blaine. > > Fortunately for us, the potter also is not only a loving > potter, > > but an omniscient one. In this case, the potter used a vessel > for > > dishonor that He knew far ahead of time was disposed to act in > a > > dishonorable manner. Put another way, God did not have to harm > a > > good guy. He had plenty of bad guys to choose from. > > > > Terry > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> Blainer: Guess Kevin's busy today--either that or he's not > >> condescending to speak to this lowly Mormon-- LOL. But, > >> interesting scripture, Izzy. You chose the very passage I was > >> wondering about, but couldn't find. It seems to be saying > Judas > >> was pre-determined to be "the son of perdition." Do you > >> believe in pre-determinism? This seems to be similar to the > >> idea that only pre-selected individuals will go to heaven, and > >> all others need not even apply, does it not? > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 7/20/2005 9:28:59 A.M. Mountain Standard > Time, > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> > >> **John 17:12 > >> > <http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=17&verse=12&version=49&context=verse>** > >> "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name > which > >> You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them > >> perished but the son of perdition, *so that the Scripture > >> would be fulfilled.*** > >> > >> > >> > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
