God did not SET SOMEONE UP! He simply told us before Judas was even born Judas chose his own way god told us beforehand IS 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Blainer: Aagg!! That makes me cringe, that God sets someone up to > fill a > role that had to be filled. I think Judas had a clear choice, and > chose to > be what he was, the same as all the other apostles. He just made a > wrong > choice. His knowledge of the truth could have armed him against > such an act. > There is a sociological theory which basically says, "politics > loves a > vacuum." This means if there is a social role to fill, someone > sooner or later will > fill it. Judas was the loser who chose to fill that role as the> detractor > and betrayer. But it could have been anyone else. Satan did the> same in the > pre-existence. He chose to fill the role of the jealous rival. > Perhaps > jealousy had something to do with Judas, also. A Mormon apostle> claims Judas was > an unrepentant thief, which led him into the final act. Just> rambling, but > lots of possibilities here. > > > In a message dated 7/20/2005 5:00:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The potter has every right to use the clay as He chooses, Blaine. > Fortunately for us, the potter also is not only a loving potter, but > an omniscient > one. In this case, the potter used a vessel for dishonor that He > knew far > ahead of time was disposed to act in a dishonorable manner. Put > another way, God > did not have to harm a good guy. He had plenty of bad guys to > choose from. > > Terry > ================================================================== > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Blainer: Guess Kevin's busy today--either that or he's not > condescending > to speak to this lowly Mormon-- LOL. But, interesting scripture, > Izzy. You > chose the very passage I was wondering about, but couldn't find. It > seems to > be saying Judas was pre-determined to be "the son of perdition." > Do you > believe in pre-determinism? This seems to be similar to the idea > that only > pre-selected individuals will go to heaven, and all others need not > even > apply, does it not? > > > In a message dated 7/20/2005 9:28:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: > > _John 17:12_ > (http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=17&verse=12&version=49&context=verse) > > "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You > have given > Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of > perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
