I have talked plenty about what we are saved from ----- OURSELVES.
God is already at work in us to will and to do His good pleasure (Phil 2:13). Christ has ALREADY reconciled us to Himself (Col 1:19ff). The fact that this Colossian passage does not fit into your theology, written as it is, is no fault of mine. I refuse to change the basic wording of any passage to get it to fit into a theological construct. You use the phrase "in balance and context" to forecast the fact that you are going to redefine a given (problematic) passage by quoting other scripture rather than deal with those posted concerns that present the weakness of your position.. i.e. you completely ignore what I have written below. What we have here, is one monologue verses another monolgue.
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Judith H Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:02:49 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Judyt: Much as I hate to disagree with you and Terry I've got to on this one because it promotes the "incarnational" thing.
Colossians 1:22 is the reality of the "risen Christ" John. It is not how he walked amongst Israel and reading scripture in
balance and context would demonstrate this. Why would the "fullness of the Godhead bodily" say "My Father is greater
than I?" Also IMO you carry this "representative" thing too far on the other end. We had no choice but to be born into
the first Adam. We do have a choice as to whether or not we embrace the second and if we do not receive the Word of
God embrace reality by agreeing with His assessment and obey Him - we will continue on in our wretchedness and His
Kingdom will be alien to and unavailable to us because God's wrath continues to abide on us (John 3:36) We don't talk
about what we have been saved from. Why not?
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:27:39 -0500 Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net> writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:===============================================================In my posted comment below, I say "God and man." He is the Son of God and, thus, God Himself (John 5:18). He is the Son of Man, thus, man(kind) himself. As Son of God, He is the fullness of the very nature of God, the visible presentation of the invisible God. As Son of Man, He is the prefect(ed) representative of man !! As a result, in Him, mankind, full of faith, escapes judgment (John 5:24 and Col 1:22, where the word translated "blameless" means "unaccused" or he who "cannot be called into account" - Thayer). PTL !!JD
You have said well.
Terry
