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Perhaps Gary should have said that her wording manipulates the will of God.
Not quite. Gary should have provided evidence that demonstrates that the
position she was arguing attempts to manilulate God. Big difference.
I view much of this continuing discussion on ad hom as one of the grandest
examples of legalistic manipulation presented on TT.
Why do you view it this way? Is it because we don't want you to behave badly
when discussing truth? If one can't make a point without name calling or
personalizing the argument, then he either has a weak argument (one that the
facts do not support) or is too lazy to present the facts supporting his
postition.
We separate words from personage and pretend that criticism of one is ad
hom while criticism of the other is not. A meaningless distinction to my
way of thinking.
The fact that you cannot see the difference between attacking an argument
and attacking the argumenter in no way makes the practice acceptable. John,
proper argumentation and presentation of facts is entirely possible without
maligning the individuals in the discussion. We are trying to encourage
individuals to that standard.
Your confusion may be because the ad hominem argument is not enforced
uniformly on TT. Some are allowed (or missed), while others are pointed out.
In a formal moderated debate there is one argument, and one moderator, and
each statement can be considered. But, in a forum where comments are being
made in mutiple threads simultaneously, 24-7, and one moderator that has
limited time to consider and respond to each, it is impossible to catch them
all. So, some decision has to be made as to which ones are allowed to pass,
and which ones get comments. I try to catch the ones that are intentionally
hurtful, or are very obvious. This is a personal decision based on my own
understanding about what constitutes an ad hominem and what does not. I am
sure no one agrees 100% with my decisions. Some are gracious about it,
though, and some are resentful.
Hope this helps you understand, John.
Perry the Moderator
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:06:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
John, an ad hominem argument is still ad hominem regardless of whether it
is true or false.
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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
>Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:58:11 -0400
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>Not ad hom if a true observation. Gary is making a point that you
>apparently miss.
>
>JD
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:25:00 -0400
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
>
>
>Gary wrote:
> > you aren't God--you're a God-manipulator
>
>Argumentum Ad Hominem
>
>Peace be with you.
>David Miller.
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