On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:09:28 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Again, I am just amazed that you
would argue this point with BT.
I know of absolutely no on who would correct
BT on this : "the cross stands as that which gave them life."
. Life as a result of the cross??? You want "evidence" of life
as a result of the cross
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????? absolutely
incredble.
jt: The cross ministers death JD, death to Him and
death to our old man. It was at the resurrection that Jesus
became
a life-giving spirit - see the mystery of
godliness. Christ was manifest in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen
of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received into
glory.
SIMPLE. He has reconciled all things unto Himself
(Col 1:20 and IN HIM IS LIFE, Judy Taylor, or do you now deny
this!!!!). With the cross, He has made peace (and I see life in this peace --
perhaps you don't). In the body of His flesh through death [on the
cross] He is presenting us to be holy, beyond judgment and above
reproach IN HIS SIGHT - a condition of living or
life. Heb 1:9 tells us that He
tasted death for all of mankind -- the promise, then, of
life proceeds from this insurance. HE DIED THAT WE MIGHT LIVE is the whole point of
Heb 1:9. In the comments you posted below, you quote
jt: The above is true JD but pointless
without the cross in our own lives because the same principle is true and
"except a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies it abides alone".
Unless we were crucified with Him which involves reckoning the old man dead and
being quickened to newness of life - we are alone. Cross or no
cross.
If any man will come after me
let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow me. Because you do not see life in
"follow me" is not my problem.
jt: I don't see any life without
first denying self and dealing with sin in our own lives and your sin IS your
problem
Heb 3:14-15 tells us that it was through His death that Satan was
destroyed -- who had the power death AND (through His death) gave release to those who feared death unto bondage. BECAUSE
OF THE VICTORY THAT TOOK PLACE ON THE Cross, WE HAVE COMPLETE AND TOTAL VICTORY OVER HIM WHO HAD THE
POWER OF DEATH --- LIFE, JUDY, LIFE !!!
jt: Sure hate to burst the
bubble JD but Satan has not yet been destroyed. He is still around so that
he may try the saints to see who will stand by faith and who will not. If
you are not in the battle then you are already whipped. The power of sin
is
what has been defeated, that is,
the penalty for past sin, along with the power and presence of present sin - on
condition that we fall out of agreement with it. Satan's day is
coming.
No wonder you do not
understand the gospel of Grace. You haven't a clue as to what the cross of Christ is all
about.!!!! You might read Hebrews -- so much of this book is about the effect of the
cross on us, individually and upon
mankind as a whole. JD
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:12:33 -0400 knpraise@aol.com writes:Bill wrote > The cross stands as that which gave them life.jt: The cross always represents death. judytjd writes:He died that we might live..........................................that's life as opposed to deathHe has reconciled all things unto Himself -- and in Him is the word, LIFE and light.You are arguing, now, just to hear your head rattle. To disagree with Bill on thispoint is so far out there as to make it clear that you just don't have anything todo this morning; if you agree, end of discussion and BAM --- nothing much to do!! JDjt: I always have plenty to do JD and am never, ever bored.You must have really struggled over those to points - neither having to do with the cross.which not only is shameful, it is offensive. The Romans made it intentionally so, it was nothing to be desired..Jesus endured the cross, despising the shame and is set down at the right hand of God Heb 12:2bBeing found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, een the death of the cross Phil 2:8Many walk who are enemies of the cross whose end is destruction whose God is their belly who glory in their shame Phil 3:18I brethren if I yet preach circumcision why do I yet suffer persecution? Then is the offence of the cross ceased Gal 5:11If any man will come after me let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow meWhere do you find life in any of the above JD?
