On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:09:28 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Again, I am just amazed that you would argue this point with BT. I know of absolutely no on who would correct BT on this : "the cross stands as that which gave them life." . Life as a result of the cross??? You want "evidence" of life as a result of the cross !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????? absolutely incredble.jt: The cross ministers death JD, death to Him and death to our old man. It was at the resurrection that Jesus becamea life-giving spirit - see the mystery of godliness. Christ was manifest in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received into glory."death to the old man" means "life" to a reasonable person.jt: Reasonable or religious JD? You argue that the law has been done away with but ATST you claim that we can't help but sin every day. Scripture tells us that walking in sin and carnality is walking in death. You can't have it both ways.SIMPLE. He has reconciled all things unto Himself (Col 1:20 and IN HIM IS LIFE, Judy Taylor, or do you now deny this!!!!). With the cross, He has made peace (and I see life in this peace -- perhaps you don't). In the body of His flesh through death [on the cross] He is presenting us to be holy, beyond judgment and above reproach IN HIS SIGHT - a condition of living or life. Heb 1:9 tells us that He tasted death for all of mankind -- the promise, then, of life proceeds from this insurance. HE DIED THAT WE MIGHT LIVE is the whole point of Heb 1:9. In the comments you posted below, you quotejt: The above is true JD but pointless without the cross in our own lives because the same principle is true and "except a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies it abides alone". Unless we were crucified with Him which involves reckoning the old man dead and being quickened to newness of life - we are alone. Cross or no cross.You blaspheme the Cross dening Jesus' words "it is finished."jt: When it finished for Him it was just beginning for us.If any man will come after me let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow me.Because you do not see life in "follow me" is not my problem.jt: I don't see any life without first denying self and dealing with sin in the flesh and your own daily sinIS your problemAgain, you blaspheme the Cross -- arguing that His work of death did not destroy Satan.jt: Satan was defeated at the cross JD. He has not been destroyed as yet and is still busy because heknows his time is short.Heb 3:14-15 tells us that it was through His death that Satan was destroyed -- who had the power death AND (through His death) gave release to those who feared death unto bondage. BECAUSE OF THE VICTORY THAT TOOK PLACE ON THE Cross, WE HAVE COMPLETE AND TOTAL VICTORY OVER HIM WHO HAD THE POWER OF DEATH --- LIFE, JUDY, LIFE !!!jt: You have taken a little license here JD have you not? "that through death he (Jesus) might destroy him that had the power of death that is the devil and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage" OK, Jesus has the victory over sin and death; you don't have it until you take it. I surehate to burst the bubble JD but Satan has not yet been destroyed even though the victory is won.Just quoting scripture, Judy - kinda of word for word !!! You want to change the wording of the Message, have at it. I accept Heb 3:14-15 and try to bring my theology into line with those words - you do not.jt: No I don't want to change the words but neither do I want to add meaning to the text that is not there.Satan has been left here and is still around so that he may try the saints to see who will stand by faith and who will not. If you are not in the battle then you are already whipped. The power of sin is what has been defeated, that is, the penalty for past sin, along with the power and presence of present sin - on condition that we fall out of agreement with it. Satan's day is coming.Satan has no power over me - sorry about you.Oh really? Who is it who tempts you to accuse the brethren. You can not say he has no power over you so long as sin still reigns in your life.No wonder you do not understand the gospel of Grace. You haven't a clue as to what the cross of Christ is all about.!!!! You might read Hebrews -- so much of this book is about the effect of the cross on us, individually and upon mankind as a whole. JDOn Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:12:33 -0400 knpraise@aol.com writes:Bill wrote > The cross stands as that which gave them life.jt: The cross always represents death. judytjd writes:He died that we might live..........................................that's life as opposed to deathHe has reconciled all things unto Himself -- and in Him is the word, LIFE and light.You are arguing, now, just to hear your head rattle. To disagree with Bill on thispoint is so far out there as to make it clear that you just don't have anything todo this morning; if you agree, end of discussion and BAM --- nothing much to do!! JDjt: I always have plenty to do JD and am never, ever bored.You must have really struggled over those to points - neither having to do with the cross.which not only is shameful, it is offensive. The Romans made it intentionally so, it was nothing to be desired..Jesus endured the cross, despising the shame and is set down at the right hand of God Heb 12:2bBeing found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, een the death of the cross Phil 2:8Many walk who are enemies of the cross whose end is destruction whose God is their belly who glory in their shame Phil 3:18I brethren if I yet preach circumcision why do I yet suffer persecution? Then is the offence of the cross ceased Gal 5:11If any man will come after me let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow meWhere do you find life in any of the above JD?
