Re: [TruthTalk] The LDS Jesus needed to be saved!

[Judy Taylor]

I should have qualified that and said "eternally alive" because I believe that all men are basically spirit beings and that they will live forever either in His presence or estranged from Him in a place that is probably a trillion times hotter than Virginia is today.  I definitely couldn't accept the doctrine of your Bruce McConkie though. God is holy and so is His son from incarnation to resurrection, except for a 3hr period when he took our sin upon his holy person.   judyt     On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:06:29 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Looks like the Mormon Jesus is not eternal in any sense of the word. DAVEH:  I respectfully disagree, Judy.  We believe one who is created can be eternal.   Just as you, a created person, will become eternal once you obtain eternal life, so is Jesus eternal even though he was created by his Father in Heaven.  Now.....if on the other hand, you die and stay dead....then you would not be eternal.  Jesus arose from the dead, never to die again....hence, he is eternal.  Does that make sense? Judy Taylor wrote:     Kevin what in the world is this?? Looks like the Mormon Jesus is not eternal in any sense of the word.  This is some patchwork gospel and it is even endorsed by their President.  Shows the danger of going outside of God's own revelation for understanding When we sow impatience we reap confusion.     On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bruce McConkie confesses that "Christ... is a saved being."McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 257. The official student manual, Doctrines of the Gospel, teaches that "the plan of salvation which he [Elohim] designed was to save his children, Christ included; neither Christ nor Lucifer could of themselves save anyone." Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Doctrines of the Gospel, Student Manual Salt Lake City, UT: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint, 1986, p. 15. The same manual also quotes the tenth president and prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith, on the subject: The Savior did not have a fullness [of deity] at first, but after he received his body and the resurrection all power was given unto him both in heaven and in earth. Although he was a God, even the Son of God, with power and authority to create this earth and other earths, yet there were some things lacking in which he did not receive until after his resurrection. In other words, he had not received the fullness until he got a resurrected body. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Doctrines of the Gospel, Student Manual Salt Lake City, UT: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint, 1986 pp. 9-10 Pres, Benson, "Jesus was a God in the pre-mortal existence," He was still imperfect and lacking certain necessary things. Benson, Teachings, p. 6. McConkie taught: "These laws [of salvation], instituted by the father, constitute the gospel of God, which gospel is the plan by which all of his spirit children, Christ included, may gain eternal life." McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 2:215 "Jesus Christ is the Son of God He came to earth to work out his own salvation." McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:238 "by obedience and devotion to the truth he attained that pinnacle of intelligence which ranked him as a God." McConkie, Mormon Doctrine   Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page   -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.