Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

[Bill Taylor]

Yes, "Pantheism" means "all is God." That, however, is not what I am suggesting. As to your other comment, I will direct you to the post I sent to Izzy.   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Excuse me but isn't it pantheism when God and the creation are one and the same? Our God is transcendent, that is, above and apart from the Creation.  Only the New Creation (which is spiritual) is in Christ.  jt   On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:25:17 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: So even satan and osama bin laden are “in Christ” in your opinion? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:30 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   IF it were the same, then how could you have existed prior to your reception of the Holy Spirit? In Christ is the existence of everything. Christ in you is exclusive in that he is present only in believers; hence their hope of glory.   Bill     ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   How's that?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:16 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Yeah, I suppose so -- AS LONG AS YOU REALIZE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A METAPHOR NOW!   Your "spirit" is growing stronger because of Christ IN you via the Holy Spirit. That is different than you in Christ, in terms of your existence.   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   And while I am metaphorically “sitting with Christ in the heavenlies”, my physical body is not—it is right here, going downhill, even as my spirit person is getting better every day in Christ.  So is my spirit in a different place than my body, Bill? Of course not.  This shows that one can use a metaphor to express something that is not a physical reality. Can one be spiritually dead w/o being physically dead? Of course.  izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:03 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   Izzy, let's not be silly. You've got one body and it's getting older.   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death       Iz: I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-)  So are you agreeing with me that our physical bodies really are dying, Yes.   and you are speaking only metaphorically about our bodies being risen with Christ at the moment? Izzy Well, if I understand what you are getting at, this would not be metaphorical. I am talking about your existence, your being, that which holds you together and sustains you, and makes you real and gives you life. You do not have the power of existence in or of yourself. You are totally dependent on another for that. Neither does anyone else have this power. All existence is in Christ Jesus. It is in him that the real you exists. Bill      Izzy responds: So you are not being metaphorical about my PHYSICAL BODY being currently risen in Christ, sitting in heaven? Really!                                                           judyt But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,                are changed into the same image from glory to glory,                even as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Corinthians 3:18)