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That'll be fine, Judy.
By the way, the controversy over the addition of
the filioque clause (which means "and the Son") in sixth century came about much
later than the councils of Nicea and Constantinople. The
homoousion was NOT an issue in this later dispute, which
actually came to a head in the eleventh century. Both sides of the filioque
controversy embraced the homoousion and continue to embrace it
today.
Bill
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:09
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of
Jesus
If I find it I'll send it on.
I know the word in question was "homoousios" which
was used in what they called the filioque which was
controversial
then and continued to be controversial validating the
scriptural caution against adding or taking from what is written. judyt
Well, it's not posted at the time you made the
claim, but maybe you referenced it at some other time.
Bill
I can't remember off the top of my head. It was
when I was researching the creeds; I probably have the source
on a floppy somewhere but would have to search
for it. I know I posted it to the list at the time.
jt
Hi Judy, where did you come up with this
idea concerning bishops
"who wanted to stay true to scripture and
resisted adding an extra biblical definition"? To my
knowledge, I've not come across it before. Would you please substantiate
it referentially?
Bill
No I am not speaking of Arian JD. When
I say Berean I am talking about the Bishops who
wanted to stay true to scripture and resisted
adding an extra biblical definition. This is
being
"Berean" as per Acts 17:11.
You speak of Arian when you say "the 'Berean'
(whatever that is) bishops finally caved?
JD From: Bill Taylor < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It does not appear that we are
talking about just the eternal Sonship of Christ
-- but something that is bigger and even more
important. Judy, please be careful, here, that in
your zeal to disagree with me that you are not misrepresenting
your own beliefs.
jt: I agree with the statement above
JD
My belief is that our disagreement most
likely goes all the way back to the council of
Nicea in May 325AD where they eventually agreed to
redefine God using a Greek word that is totally
unscriptural - For this reason they had problems
getting complete agreement - but the "Berean"
bishops finally caved.
jt: I don't
trust your memory Bill. I would have to see this because
this does not sound like anything I even believe...
The Arians didn't cave .. they were
hunted down as hereticks by Athanasius just like the Donatists
were hunted
down by Augustine and Servetus was hunted
down by Calvin.
If it is in response to the dialogue
between DavidM and me, then you should know that I do
not advocate Docetism,
Donatism, Arianism, or any other
ism.
That's interesting, Judy. I seem to remember you referring
to the Arian bishops at Nicea as the "Bereans," who finally
caved into Athanasius' teaching. How is this not advocating
Arianism? Bill
Thanks so much for this outline Kats
(is it?)
If it is in response to the dialogue
between DavidM and me, then you should know that I do
not advocate Docetism,
Donatism, Arianism, or any other
ism.
You write: Jesus was both divine and human but perhaps we
do not think often enough of the humanity of Jesus.
Jesus came to break down barriers between between God and us
and if do not acknowledge the humanity of Jesus, that Jesus
was like us in every way except sin
as the Letter to the Hebrews says in 4:15, we are erecting
barriers between God and us once again. Also Heb 2:17-18
states. "It was essential that he should be made completely
like his brothers so that he could become a compassionate and
trustworthy high priest for their relationship to God, able to
expaite the sins of the people. For the suffering he
himself passed through while being put to the test enables him
to help others when they are being put to the test."
jt: Just wondering if you hold
to what is known as "Orthodoxy" Kats.
"Christ Jesus... thought
it not robbery to be equal with God: But made Himself of no
reputation, and took upon Him the
form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men..." Philippians
2:5-7
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