this is exactly why I say you and Bobby Valentine do not agree. Contrary to popular belief, I understand your thinking on "grace" exactly as you have stated it in this post and an earlier post you wrote (today) to Debbie.
Grace that saves is found in (eis) Christ. It is a matter of relationships (with Christ, with ourselves, with others) and results in an irresistible process called maturity. If we are attached to Christ, we will grow up in Him as a result. As time goes on, I grow more to manhood (if you will) because of the nourishment I receive from the living Christ and NOT because of obedience.
If that sounds like legalism to you, so be it. We all have our moments of silliness.
JD
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From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:19:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Leagalistic Grace
David Miller wrote: >> Do you now understand what >> legalistic grace is? DAVEH: > Do you have a short explanation you > can share, DavidM? Legalistic grace is reducing the concept of grace to doctrine and dogma. It is basically the way John treats grace, as a legal get out of jail free card. Our legal accounts are cleared by what Christ has done, and those who would add any other aspects to our covenant or relationship with Christ are misunderstanding grace. We will find those who embrace grace in a legalistic fashion slinging mud at those who appear to be not toting the party line. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.

