Yeah, I agree with that. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
> And, BTW, I do not believe all illnesses are demonic. I do think they are > one result of sin in the world, however. When the Lord restores His kingdom > there will be no more sickness. izzy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us > > You are asking the wrong question, as I wonder about these things myself > from time to time. Can a true Believer have a demon? Be "oppressed"? Be > possessed? What's the difference??? I'd like to hear other opinions. izzy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us > > Are all illnesses "demonic" in your opinion -- whether physical or mental or > a combination of both? Martin Luther was a textbook bi-polar. Do you think > that precluded him from being a "Christian," as in a true believer? > > Just curious what you think, > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:38 PM > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us > > > > Really interesting analogies, Judy and David. I'll think about that a > lot. > > By the way, the enemies in the land comment leads me to ask if anyone > knows > > what is the underlying problem with people who are commonly labeled > > "Bi-polar"--up one day and low the next, and seem to me to always be > looking > > for someone to be angry with. They are commonly treated with lithium. > I've > > been around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says she is a > > Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller > > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:00 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us > > > > David Miller wrote: > > >> The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to convict > > >> believers of various sins, such as stealing, lust, > > >> covetousness, etc. is dangerous. > > > > Judy wrote: > > > Why do you see this as dangerous David? > > > > Because people confuse the voice of the Spirit with their own inner > > convictions. Furthermore, they misinterpret the work of the Holy Spirit, > > and therefore ascribe works to him which are not his. This leads to > error. > > > > Judy wrote: > > > Being conformed to the "image of Christ" > > > does not happen overnight. It is a process, > > > just as salvation itself is a process of past, > > > present, future. > > > > It depends which image of Christ you are talking about. Are you talking > > about him in his now glorified state? You bet that is a process. Are you > > talking about Christ as an infant lying in a manger? No, that is not a > > process. That is an event called being born again. > > > > Judy wrote: > > > An object lesson is given us in scripture ... when > > > after Israel celebrated the passover and God led > > > them supernaturally to the promised land. They > > > were instructed to go in and take the land which > > > He would give to them little by little. He did > > > not clear the land all at one time because they would > > > not be strong enough to hold it. (Exodus 23:29,30) > > > > Good object lesson, but look at it closely. They were no longer slaves in > > Egypt at this point. Once they crossed that Red Sea and the waters killed > > the Egyptians that were pursuing them, they were saved. They had > > deliverance from bondage to Egypt, which represents our deliverance from > the > > > > bondage of sin to this world system. What they lacked was possessing the > > promised land, the kingdom of God. This is where faith comes in, and this > > is where the process of growth is important. > > > > We are immediately delivered, but love still is perfected. I may not sin, > > but that does not mean that I cannot love better. Yesterday I may have > > helped someone who came looking to me for help, but today I might seek out > > those who need help. Yesterday, I might have known how to lead someone to > a > > > > hospital to get help, but today I might pray for him to be healed > instantly > > and thereby better help him in his situation. Jesus at one time did no > > miracles, but his obedience and love were perfected at that time when he > did > > > > minister in miracles and healed the sick, and ultimately gave his life a > > ransom for all, the ultimate expression of love which he did when he was > > more than 33 years old, not when he was 5 years old. > > > > Judy wrote: > > > Likewise when we surrender our lives to Christ > > > we also have enemies on the land (our heart) ... > > > > You have the wrong analogy here, Judy. The enemies of our own heart were > > when we were in Egypt, or the unbelief when God tells us to possess his > > kingdom and we say such is impossible. The enemies in the land, the > > Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the > > Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and > the > > Girgashites, and the Jebusites... these enemies represent not defects of > our > > > > own heart, but enemies in the air, principalities and powers and rulers of > > darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places which inspire people to > act > > > > contrary to us and to mock us and to hate us and kill us. > > > > Judy wrote: > > > Those of us who are honest will admit that we > > > were walking in most of Galatians 5:19,21 if not all. > > > > "WERE" is the proper tense. Why do you try and resurrect it to present > > tense? > > > > Judy wrote: > > > That the land of our heart is inhabited by some enemies > > > is evident by what comes out of our mouths (at times). > > > > Nothing defiling comes out of my mouth anymore. Once it had, yes, but not > > anymore. I'm sure my rebukes or corrections appear otherwise to some on > > this list, as they like to point to such things as evidence of my > > sinfulness, but God knows what is good and right and what is not. Men of > > wickedness lack discernment of such things. > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller. > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know > > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." 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