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Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:27
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and
the rest of us
Wrong questions? Hmmmmm. That's a good
one. What do you think: Is PMS demonic? Aristotle thought the uterus
(Greek: hyster) floated around in a woman's body. Once a month it
wedged itself in her head, and for a few days she could be "hysterical." We
know now, of course, that this isn't so; rather, it's an influx of little
demons, also known as hormones.
My unscientific opinion: There's nothing
intrinsically demonic about being bi-polar. It's what you do with your ups and
downs that may or may not be demonically influenced (for instance, the looking
for some-one or -thing to be angry with, may be an indication of demonic
activity). The same is true with PMS -- or any other chemically induced
mood-swing. I, for one, do not think there is a
necessary cause/effect continuum between mental/physical states and demonic
intrusion. There could be in certain cases, but there doesn't have to be. Put
another way: You don't have to be a winch just because you're PMSing
-- or looking for a fight just because you're bi-polar. The question is
the same each day: who am I going to serve?
"I have been crucified with Christ; it is no
longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in
the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for
me" (Gal 2.20).
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:59
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the
rest of us
> You are asking the wrong question, as I wonder about these things
myself
> from time to time. Can a true Believer have a demon? Be
"oppressed"? Be
> possessed? What's the difference??? I'd like to hear
other opinions. izzy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
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Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:45 PM
> To: [email protected]
>
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
>
> Are
all illnesses "demonic" in your opinion -- whether physical or mental
or
> a combination of both? Martin Luther was a textbook bi-polar. Do
you think
> that precluded him from being a "Christian," as in a true
believer?
>
> Just curious what you think,
>
>
Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ShieldsFamily"
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To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:38 PM
> Subject:
RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
>
>
> >
Really interesting analogies, Judy and David. I'll think about that
a
> lot.
> > By the way, the enemies in the land comment leads
me to ask if anyone
> knows
> > what is the underlying problem
with people who are commonly labeled
> > "Bi-polar"--up one day and
low the next, and seem to me to always be
> looking
> > for
someone to be angry with. They are commonly treated with
lithium.
> I've
> > been around someone like that the last
couple of weeks (who says she is a
> > Christian by the way), and it
seems demonic to me. izzy
> >
> > -----Original
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> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
Miller
> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:00 PM
> > To:
[email protected]
>
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
>
>
> > David Miller wrote:
> > >> The concept that
the Holy Spirit is working to convict
> > >> believers of
various sins, such as stealing, lust,
> > >> covetousness, etc.
is dangerous.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Why do
you see this as dangerous David?
> >
> > Because people
confuse the voice of the Spirit with their own inner
> >
convictions. Furthermore, they misinterpret the work of the Holy
Spirit,
> > and therefore ascribe works to him which are not
his. This leads to
> error.
> >
> > Judy
wrote:
> > > Being conformed to the "image of Christ"
> >
> does not happen overnight. It is a process,
> > > just
as salvation itself is a process of past,
> > > present,
future.
> >
> > It depends which image of Christ you are
talking about. Are you talking
> > about him in his now
glorified state? You bet that is a process. Are you
> >
talking about Christ as an infant lying in a manger? No, that is not
a
> > process. That is an event called being born
again.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > An object
lesson is given us in scripture ... when
> > > after Israel
celebrated the passover and God led
> > > them supernaturally to
the promised land. They
> > > were instructed to go in and
take the land which
> > > He would give to them little by little.
He did
> > > not clear the land all at one time because they
would
> > > not be strong enough to hold it. (Exodus
23:29,30)
> >
> > Good object lesson, but look at it
closely. They were no longer slaves in
> > Egypt at this
point. Once they crossed that Red Sea and the waters killed
> >
the Egyptians that were pursuing them, they were saved. They had
>
> deliverance from bondage to Egypt, which represents our deliverance
from
> the
> >
> > bondage of sin to this world
system. What they lacked was possessing the
> > promised land,
the kingdom of God. This is where faith comes in, and this
> >
is where the process of growth is important.
> >
> > We are
immediately delivered, but love still is perfected. I may not
sin,
> > but that does not mean that I cannot love better.
Yesterday I may have
> > helped someone who came looking to me for
help, but today I might seek out
> > those who need help.
Yesterday, I might have known how to lead someone to
> a
>
>
> > hospital to get help, but today I might pray for him to be
healed
> instantly
> > and thereby better help him in his
situation. Jesus at one time did no
> > miracles, but his
obedience and love were perfected at that time when he
> did
>
>
> > minister in miracles and healed the sick, and ultimately
gave his life a
> > ransom for all, the ultimate _expression_ of love
which he did when he was
> > more than 33 years old, not when he was
5 years old.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Likewise
when we surrender our lives to Christ
> > > we also have enemies
on the land (our heart) ...
> >
> > You have the wrong
analogy here, Judy. The enemies of our own heart were
> > when
we were in Egypt, or the unbelief when God tells us to possess his
>
> kingdom and we say such is impossible. The enemies in the land,
the
> > Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the
Hittites, and the
> > Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites,
and the Canaanites, and
> the
> > Girgashites, and the
Jebusites... these enemies represent not defects of
> our
>
>
> > own heart, but enemies in the air, principalities and powers
and rulers of
> > darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places
which inspire people to
> act
> >
> > contrary to us
and to mock us and to hate us and kill us.
> >
> > Judy
wrote:
> > > Those of us who are honest will admit that we
>
> > were walking in most of Galatians 5:19,21 if not all.
>
>
> > "WERE" is the proper tense. Why do you try and
resurrect it to present
> > tense?
> >
> > Judy
wrote:
> > > That the land of our heart is inhabited by some
enemies
> > > is evident by what comes out of our mouths (at
times).
> >
> > Nothing defiling comes out of my mouth
anymore. Once it had, yes, but not
> > anymore. I'm sure
my rebukes or corrections appear otherwise to some on
> > this list,
as they like to point to such things as evidence of my
> >
sinfulness, but God knows what is good and right and what is not. Men
of
> > wickedness lack discernment of such things.
>
>
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
>
>
> > ----------
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> know
> > how you
ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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