Spoken like a man who has never suffered
PMS. J izzy
From:
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Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005
10:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam -
sin - and the rest of us
Wrong questions? Hmmmmm. That's a good one. What do you
think: Is PMS demonic? Aristotle thought the uterus (Greek: hyster)
floated around in a woman's body. Once a month it wedged itself in her head,
and for a few days she could be "hysterical." We know now, of course,
that this isn't so; rather, it's an influx of little demons, also known as
hormones.
My unscientific opinion: There's nothing intrinsically
demonic about being bi-polar. It's what you do with your ups and downs that may
or may not be demonically influenced (for instance, the looking for some-one or
-thing to be angry with, may be an indication of demonic activity). The same is
true with PMS -- or any other chemically induced mood-swing. I, for one, do not
think there is a necessary cause/effect continuum between mental/physical
states and demonic intrusion. There could be in certain cases, but there
doesn't have to be. Put another way: You don't have to be a winch just because
you're PMSing -- or looking for a fight just because you're bi-polar. The
question is the same each day: who am I going to serve?
"I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I
who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I
live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me"
(Gal 2.29).
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Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
> You are asking the wrong question, as I wonder about
these things myself
> from time to time. Can a true Believer have a demon? Be
"oppressed"? Be
> possessed? What's the difference??? I'd like to hear other opinions. izzy
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
>
> Are all illnesses "demonic" in your opinion -- whether physical
or mental or
> a combination of both? Martin Luther was a textbook bi-polar. Do you think
> that precluded him from being a "Christian," as in a true
believer?
>
> Just curious what you think,
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
>
>
> > Really interesting analogies, Judy and David. I'll think about
that a
> lot.
> > By the way, the enemies in the land comment leads me to ask if anyone
> knows
> > what is the underlying problem with people who are commonly labeled
> > "Bi-polar"--up one day and low the next, and seem to me to
always be
> looking
> > for someone to be angry with. They are commonly treated with
lithium.
> I've
> > been around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says she
is a
> > Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:00 PM
> > To: [email protected]
>
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
> >
> > David Miller wrote:
> > >> The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to convict
> > >> believers of various sins, such as stealing, lust,
> > >> covetousness, etc. is dangerous.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Why do you see this as dangerous David?
> >
> > Because people confuse the voice of the Spirit with their own inner
> > convictions. Furthermore, they misinterpret the work of the
Holy Spirit,
> > and therefore ascribe works to him which are not his. This
leads to
> error.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Being conformed to the "image of Christ"
> > > does not happen overnight. It is a process,
> > > just as salvation itself is a process of past,
> > > present, future.
> >
> > It depends which image of Christ you are talking about. Are you
talking
> > about him in his now glorified state? You bet that is a
process. Are you
> > talking about Christ as an infant lying in a manger? No, that
is not a
> > process. That is an event called being born again.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > An object lesson is given us in scripture ... when
> > > after Israel
celebrated the passover and God led
> > > them supernaturally to the promised land. They
> > > were instructed to go in and take the land which
> > > He would give to them little by little. He did
> > > not clear the land all at one time because they would
> > > not be strong enough to hold it. (Exodus 23:29,30)
> >
> > Good object lesson, but look at it closely. They were no longer
slaves in
> > Egypt
at this point. Once they crossed that Red Sea
and the waters killed
> > the Egyptians that were pursuing them, they were saved. They
had
> > deliverance from bondage to Egypt, which represents our
deliverance from
> the
> >
> > bondage of sin to this world system. What they lacked was
possessing the
> > promised land, the kingdom
of God. This is
where faith comes in, and this
> > is where the process of growth is important.
> >
> > We are immediately delivered, but love still is perfected. I
may not sin,
> > but that does not mean that I cannot love better. Yesterday I
may have
> > helped someone who came looking to me for help, but today I might
seek out
> > those who need help. Yesterday, I might have known how to lead
someone to
> a
> >
> > hospital to get help, but today I might pray for him to be healed
> instantly
> > and thereby better help him in his situation. Jesus at one time
did no
> > miracles, but his obedience and love were perfected at that time when
he
> did
> >
> > minister in miracles and healed the sick, and ultimately gave his
life a
> > ransom for all, the ultimate _expression_ of love which he did when he
was
> > more than 33 years old, not when he was 5 years old.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Likewise when we surrender our lives to Christ
> > > we also have enemies on the land (our heart) ...
> >
> > You have the wrong analogy here, Judy. The enemies of our own
heart were
> > when we were in Egypt,
or the unbelief when God tells us to possess his
> > kingdom and we say such is impossible. The enemies in the land,
the
> > Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites,
and the
> > Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites,
and
> the
> > Girgashites, and the Jebusites... these enemies represent not defects
of
> our
> >
> > own heart, but enemies in the air, principalities and powers and
rulers of
> > darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places which inspire people
to
> act
> >
> > contrary to us and to mock us and to hate us and kill us.
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > Those of us who are honest will admit that we
> > > were walking in most of Galatians 5:19,21 if not all.
> >
> > "WERE" is the proper tense. Why do you try and
resurrect it to present
> > tense?
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > That the land of our heart is inhabited by some enemies
> > > is evident by what comes out of our mouths (at times).
> >
> > Nothing defiling comes out of my mouth anymore. Once it had,
yes, but not
> > anymore. I'm sure my rebukes or corrections appear otherwise to
some on
> > this list, as they like to point to such things as evidence of my
> > sinfulness, but God knows what is good and right and what is
not. Men of
> > wickedness lack discernment of such things.
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
> >
> > ----------
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you may
> know
> > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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