> Really interesting analogies, Judy and David. I'll think
about that a
lot.
> By the way, the enemies in the land comment leads me to ask if
anyone
knows
> what is the underlying problem with people who are commonly labeled
> "
Bi-polar"--up one day and
low the next, and seem to me to always be
looking
> for someone to be angry with. They are commonly treated with
lithium.
I've
> been around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says
she is a
> Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me.
izzy
>
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> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> The concept that the Holy Spirit is working to convict
> >> believers of various sins, such as stealing, lust,
> >> covetousness, etc. is dangerous.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Why do you see this as dangerous David?
>
> Because people confuse the voice of the Spirit with their own inner
> convictions. Furthermore, they misinterpret the work of the Holy
Spirit,
> and therefore ascribe works to him which are not his. This leads
to
error.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Being conformed to the "image of Christ"
> > does not happen overnight. It is a process,
> > just as salvation itself is a process of past,
> > present, future.
>
> It depends which image of Christ you are talking about. Are you
talking
> about him in his now glorified state? You bet that is a process.
Are you
> talking about Christ as an infant lying in a manger? No, that is
not a
> process. That is an event called being born again.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > An object lesson is given us in scripture ... when
> > after Israel celebrated the
passover
and God led
> > them supernaturally to the promised land. They
> > were instructed to go in and take the land which
> > He would give to them little by little. He did
> > not clear the land all at one time because they would
> > not be strong enough to hold it. (Exodus 23:29,30)
>
> Good object lesson, but look at it closely. They were no longer
slaves in
> Egypt at this point. Once they crossed that Red Sea and the
waters killed
> the Egyptians that were pursuing them, they were sa ved. They had
> deliverance from bondage to Egypt, which represents our
deliverance from
the
>
> bondage of sin to this world system. What they lacked was
possessing the
> promised land, the kingdom of God. This is where faith comes in,
and this
> is where the process of growth is important.
>
> We are immediately delivered, but love still is perfected. I may
not sin,
> but that does not mean that I cannot love better. Yesterday I may
have
> helped someone who came looking to me for help, but today I might
seek out
> those who need help. Yesterday, I might have known how to lead
someone to
a
>
> hospital to get help, but today I might pray for him to be healed
instantly
> and thereby better help him in his situation. Jesus at one time
did no
> miracles, but his obedience and love were perfected at that time
when he
did
>
> minister in miracles and healed the sick, and ultimately gave his
life a
> ransom for all, the ultimate _expression_ of love which he did when
he was
> more than 33 years old, not when he was 5 years old.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Likewise when we surrender our lives to Christ
> > we also have enemies on the land (our heart) ...
>
> You have the wrong analogy here, Judy. The enemies of our own
heart were
> when we were in Egypt, or the
unbelief
when God tells us to possess his
> kingdom and we say such is impossible. The enemies in the land,
the
>
Kenites, and the
Kenizzites, and the
Kadmonites, and the
Hittites, and the
>
Perizzites, and the
Rephaims, and the
Amorites, and the
Canaanites, and< BR>the
>
Girgashites, and the
Jebusites... these enemies represent
not defects of
our
>
> own heart, but enemies in the air, principalities and powers and
rulers of
> darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places which inspire
people to
act
>
> contrary to us and to mock us and to hate us and kill us.
>
> Judy wrote:
> > Those of us who are honest will admit that we
> > were walking in most of
Galatians
5:19,21 if not all.
>
> "WERE" is the proper tense. Why do you try and resurrect it to
present
> tense?
>
> Judy wrote:
> > That the land of our heart is inhabited by some enemies
> > is evident by what comes out of our mouths (at times).
>
> Nothing defiling comes out of my mouth anymore. Once it had, yes,
but not
> anymore. I'm sure my rebukes or corrections appear oth erwise to
some on
> this list, as they like to point to such things as evidence of my
> sinfulness, but God knows what is good and right and what is not.
Men of
> wickedness lack discernment of such things.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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> how you ought to answer every man." (
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