RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

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We’ve already done the Judas argument.  The lefties defended Judas and said he didn’t go to hell.  Those in the right said he went to hell.  izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us   Lost to the cause  or lost personally?   Don't get me wrong.   I am not trying to get Judas saved.   I just don't think we know of his personal destiny.   Does God look to his apparent change of heart with any pleasure?  Well, I can't imagine God being disappointed in that particular circumstance.  Does the cross present forgiveness to all of humanity except Judas?   Wow  --   that sounds a little incredible to me.    JD    -----Original Message----- From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:40:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us John 17:12 Those you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost except the son of perdition ================================================================ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speculation, my dear.   If repentance is a "change of mind,"  then the return of the money is clearly a change of mind.   The suicide  could very well have been an extention of that change of heart   Now, I am not saying that he was ultimately saved.  I just think that we need to be careful with our doctrine concerning Judas.   And we do have a doctrine concerning the man.   If that didache includes the notion that He had no choice in the betrayal;  if we think that he was selected  (emphasis on "selected") from the beginning to be the player that he was and that this betrayal extended from a thorough going inward wickedness,  well,  I do not agree with that.     JD   -