Adam and Eve were no more made for this world than you or I. Christ was penciled into the creation equation from before the foundations of the world. Our destiny as humans has always been heaven.
IMO.
JD
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:16:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
Adam and Eve sinned. That is what Christians believe. Why conjecture about things they don't believe to find out what they believe? I think it is a waste of time.
>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:42:42 -0700
>
>DAVEH: I'm trying to look at it from a Protestant's perspective, Perry. I >assume you believe that God did not want or intend for A&E to transgress. >If so, then I am curious about what you think the world would have been >like being populated by some who sin, and some who don't. I also assume >that Protestants believe we all have inherited a sinful nature because of >the fall of A&E, and none are capable of being sin free. So, if A&E had >not sinned, do you think there would be any perfect people in the world >today?
>
> BTW......If you feel it a waste of time to conjecture about this, don't >feel compelled to respond.
>
>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>
>>
>>What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is a pure >>waste of time to conjecture otherwise.
>>
>>>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
>>>Date: Su n, 14 Aug 2005 08:31:18 -0700
>>>
>>>DAVEH: No. But I think you must have missed the beginning of my >>>questions to Terry. I started with the premise of what would have >>>happened IF A&E had not transgressed in the first place. I assume you >>>believe there would have been people who had sinned as well as those who >>>had not sinned. My curiosity is about what you folks think would have >>>been the pertinence of Jesus coming to the earth to those who had not >>>sinned.
>>>
>>>Judy Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>*jt: Dave do you know of anyone other than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself >>>>- who never sinned? judyt*
>>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:28:07 -0700 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ;<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> *Jesus loved me enough to die for me. God's love does not appear
>>>> to be based on numbers.*
>>>>
>>>> DAVEH: I fully agree. However, I was trying to explore a bit
>>>> further what you believe about how Jesus' sacrifice is pertinent
>>>> to anybody who had never sinned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Terry Clifton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Boy! I hate it when people force me to think on my time off. >>>>>It's hard enough to do it on the job.
>>>>> There are those who do not sin and still die. They are called
>>>>> fetuses by those who murder them, u nborn children by those who
>>>>> would rather they live. There is no way that they can sin in
>>>>> thought or deed, yet they die, so sin brought death to all.
>>>>> I believe that had I been the only sinner on earth, *Jesus loved
>>>>> me enough to die for me. God's love does not appear to be based
>>>>> on numbers.* One fact, one opinion. You would have very little
>>>>> trouble arguing against the opinion. The fact is self evident.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> DAVEH: Assuming that some would not have sinned....would all
>>>>>> who did not sin live forever, and those who did sin would die? >>>>>> And...what effect would Jesus' sacrifice be to those who did not
>>>>>> sin? IOW....would Jesus have given his life for the sinners
>>>>>> only, and the others would not have need of anything from Jesus?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terry Clifton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DAVEH: I'm curious. What do you folks believe would have
>>>>>>>> happened if A&E had not fallen? Would their children have
>>>>>>>> been perfect, or could some have sinned while others remained
>>>>>>>> without sin? And what effect would that have had on the world?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >=================================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since we all have free will to obey or disobey, any human from
>>>>>>> Adam on could choose to sin. As slick as the devil is and as
>>>>>>> stupid as people are, I think it;s safe to assume that all
>>>>>>> would have sinned. The world today would not be much different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:42:42 -0700
>
>DAVEH: I'm trying to look at it from a Protestant's perspective, Perry. I >assume you believe that God did not want or intend for A&E to transgress. >If so, then I am curious about what you think the world would have been >like being populated by some who sin, and some who don't. I also assume >that Protestants believe we all have inherited a sinful nature because of >the fall of A&E, and none are capable of being sin free. So, if A&E had >not sinned, do you think there would be any perfect people in the world >today?
>
> BTW......If you feel it a waste of time to conjecture about this, don't >feel compelled to respond.
>
>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>
>>
>>What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is a pure >>waste of time to conjecture otherwise.
>>
>>>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
>>>Date: Su n, 14 Aug 2005 08:31:18 -0700
>>>
>>>DAVEH: No. But I think you must have missed the beginning of my >>>questions to Terry. I started with the premise of what would have >>>happened IF A&E had not transgressed in the first place. I assume you >>>believe there would have been people who had sinned as well as those who >>>had not sinned. My curiosity is about what you folks think would have >>>been the pertinence of Jesus coming to the earth to those who had not >>>sinned.
>>>
>>>Judy Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>*jt: Dave do you know of anyone other than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself >>>>- who never sinned? judyt*
>>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:28:07 -0700 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ;<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> *Jesus loved me enough to die for me. God's love does not appear
>>>> to be based on numbers.*
>>>>
>>>> DAVEH: I fully agree. However, I was trying to explore a bit
>>>> further what you believe about how Jesus' sacrifice is pertinent
>>>> to anybody who had never sinned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Terry Clifton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Boy! I hate it when people force me to think on my time off. >>>>>It's hard enough to do it on the job.
>>>>> There are those who do not sin and still die. They are called
>>>>> fetuses by those who murder them, u nborn children by those who
>>>>> would rather they live. There is no way that they can sin in
>>>>> thought or deed, yet they die, so sin brought death to all.
>>>>> I believe that had I been the only sinner on earth, *Jesus loved
>>>>> me enough to die for me. God's love does not appear to be based
>>>>> on numbers.* One fact, one opinion. You would have very little
>>>>> trouble arguing against the opinion. The fact is self evident.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> DAVEH: Assuming that some would not have sinned....would all
>>>>>> who did not sin live forever, and those who did sin would die? >>>>>> And...what effect would Jesus' sacrifice be to those who did not
>>>>>> sin? IOW....would Jesus have given his life for the sinners
>>>>>> only, and the others would not have need of anything from Jesus?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terry Clifton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DAVEH: I'm curious. What do you folks believe would have
>>>>>>>> happened if A&E had not fallen? Would their children have
>>>>>>>> been perfect, or could some have sinned while others remained
>>>>>>>> without sin? And what effect would that have had on the world?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >=================================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since we all have free will to obey or disobey, any human from
>>>>>>> Adam on could choose to sin. As slick as the devil is and as
>>>>>>> stupid as people are, I think it;s safe to assume that all
>>>>>>> would have sinned. The world today would not be much different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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