As I said below, I would not use those words "God intended" them to sin. I believe that they were created with the ability to sin. God knew that this would happen -- probably. Christ is a part of man's history from before the foundations of the world -- soooooo, man is created to (eventually) share in God's presence. The garden was never the destiny of mankind.
JD
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
DAVEH: If you believe as I do that God intended A&E to transgress, for what noble purpose do you think it fulfilled?
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Not at all. I call it "plan B theology." I must confess that I am presently reviewing this very issue with a view to answering questions concerning the fall of man and what it involved in terms of both foreknowledge (of God) and consequences (for man).What I feel passionate about is this (thus far): there was no plan B: what happened in the garden was a part of plan A; I am not sure as to the full picture of plan A; Adam and Eve had the same capabilities for sin as I do; they were created mortal beings, as well; Adam and Eve are not the only created humans if this story is a literal accounting of first life; In fact, the story of the first man and woman probably makes more sense if it is considered from an allegorical point of view - there is much about the first account that raises unanwered qeustions.Regarding the notion that God INTENDED for A&E to sin ... that could be. I would not cast it in that light, however. There are things that God cannot do. He cannot sin, for example. In fact, He cannot be tempted to sin. But man can. Maybe God CANNOT create Himself or anything that ultimately shares His nature -- apart from a process!!! So man is created with Christ in view from the very beginning. Man only becomes like God as he exists in (eis) God. The creation of man as pictured in Genesis 1 - Rev 22 is the full story of our creation. We are not fully grown up into Christ until we are transformed and ascended. Theory. But it is loo king good to me. The problem with this is tha t it is pretty much my idea to the exclusion of those whom I deeply respect. Generally, that is the definition of "weird."Sorry I cannot be more informative.Jd-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of JesusDAVEH: I somewhat agree, John. The difference between your beliefs and mine (I think) is that I believe God intended for A&E to transgress, so that they could become a bit more like God in that they would then be able to discern between good and evil. I also believe it was necessary for them to fall so that they could have children. Furthermore, I believe the Fall was necessary in order that we continue on a course of eternal progression....IOW...so that we could eventually get to heaven.
Yet I understand that Protestants believe to the contrary, that the Fall was a glitch in the Lord's plan. Is that the way you see it?
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