Fourth Request
"Better tighten up JD." What does this mean, Judy?
JD
What about the lies that wear a cloak called "theology" - do these count?
And what about the ones who did all kinds of "great" works in Jesus name that He didn't know?
They didn't make it either .... Better tighten up JD
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:07:18 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It works for me just fine. Satan's power is found in deception and fakery ONLY -- even for those in the world. He is the father of lies and has no power outside that arena.Jd
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From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
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Sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:57:16 -0500
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
True, JD. But only for those IN CHRIST. (How's that working for you?) izzy
The fact remains that Stan has no real power. His power was destroyed at the cross. JD
Love to deal with the question below but first things first. We were talking about judgmentalism (not judgment or prejudice). And, then, you wrote the above. A little judgmentalism, perhaps??? (this goes to "intelligent discussion")
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:57:54 -0400
Subject: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
jt: Don't you believe it is possible to be honestly deceived JD?
What about fascination with Gk and philosophy and speculative theology? When ppl refuse to love the whole
unvarnished truth then God Himself will send them strong delusion so that they might believe the lie.... jt
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Aaahhh. Refuse to deal with the issue at hand. Ignore, ignore, ignore. At all costs, do not answer JD's questions. Do you know how to spell transparent?
Deception, for the saint, is just like any other sin issue -- we are led away BY OUR OWN LUSTS. There will be no flat foreheads in hell, Judy. There will be no honest people there. The difference between the kind of lie that finds one eventually lost and the truth that saves is more than obvious -- having, if you w ill, an ontological appeal or value. Head knowledge has nothing, per se, to do with being lost. Living for self, autonomy, serving those desires that destroy our ability to cherish good and hate the evil -- that is "being lost." Very specific wording on my part. The drug addict who cannot get off heroin but knows the difference between good and evil in his life has as much a chance for salvation as does Linda Shields.
From: Judy Taylor &l t;jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
The problem is that - IT IS POSSIBLE TO DECEIVE THE SAINTS - If this were not possible then why so
many warnings all over the NT to "Be not deceived, - God is not mocked" and "I fear lest by any means, as the
serpent deceived Eve through his sublety, so your mindsshould be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ
(2 Cor 11:3) For if some real smart theologian comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached,
or if ye receive another spirit which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might
well bear with him (my paraphrase) jt
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:53:46 -0400 knpraise@aol.com writes:
Sooooooooooooooo, you just ignore the part that says, " ... mislead, if it were possible even the elect" ?If I read you correctly, you can drop those words and have the verse say exactly the same thing? So why the words?JD
From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>
knpraise@aol.com wrote:================================================================I have a number of mentors. BT is the most current and, perhaps, the most significant. BT has his mentors, as well. You have yours.Secondly, the passage quoted I understood to be saying that it was not possible to to deceive the saints. That was my point. Where is the problem?JD
The problem seems to be that you could not understand the whole verse. You took from it what you wanted and ignored the
parts that shows you to be in error....again.
