RE: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

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DaveH, I can only speak for myself here in response to your query.  For me, having LDS folk on TT is not threatening at all.  I’d say if I could choose to have you guys here or not, I’d have you here. You and Blaine would be missed, I’m sure, if you left.  You are civil and pleasant to talk to except for when I perceive your manipulativeness in pitting others against each other by taking sides for or against you, or feeling sorry for you.  (Poor nice little mormon boys being picked on by the meanies. J  ) But you are pleasant for the most part, and add a certain humor to TT.   It seems that whenever a new Believer joins TT they learn you guys are here, and they explore the possibility of reasoning with you, and pretty much the same discussion ensues until they, at last, realize that comparing the truths of the Bible against the obvious fallacies written by JSmith does not persuade you to abandon your bizarre mormon ideas. Although I don’t bother to read your posts if they are defending mormon ideology (because I find it to be so pointless and obviously baseless) I like it that you engage with some who have hope of reaching you with truth.  I think if that is ever to happen, it will be a work of the Holy Spirit via the Word of God, and not through the arguments of anyone on TT.  And even that would require some openness on your part, which I have never perceived.  But only God knows for certain, and one must leave room for the unexpected. I am quite frank here, knowing that you can deal with it.  izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:46 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself   DAVEH:  Rest assured Judy, I have no illusions about other TTers' thoughts about me being deceived.  Nor am I offended that you or anybody else believe such.  I just appreciate your forthrightness in discussing it openly, and without malice.  Though your message may be harsh, you did try to frame it kindly....thank you.     I am curious to know if you believe I am dispensing spiritual poison though.  Do you believe that I am conscientiously trying to deceive TTers?  Or, do you think that offering explanations about my beliefs when asked is detrimental to other TTers in some way?   I guess what I am ultimately trying to find out is if you or other TTers feel that just having a Mormon on TT is a big threat to you or your faith.     As I've said before, I think the idea of TT being a place where Christians (and non Christians) of all faiths can discuss beliefs we share in common, and those we don't.  And to me, it the ability to converse with somebody with radically different beliefs is beneficial.  Otherwise, I'm dependent on hearing about such things from biased sources (often times LDS) that may not be entirely accurate.  Yet I know that some TTers do not share my enthusiasm for hearing about what others believe.  It seems instead that they only feel comfortable when they can impose their beliefs on others, with the assumption that their beliefs are superior.  Perhaps that in itself isn't so bad, but it sure strikes me odd that some seem to cop an attitude and get their noses out of joint when they don't quite control the discussion to their liking.       So....Any idea what causes this in some folks? Judy Taylor wrote: It's not my heart to be mean Terry - I just thought it needed to be said and I put it in the kindest way I know.  I like DaveH too but reality tells me he is deceived. Is there another way to say it? I know you don't think we should ignore it?.   On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:04:52 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Give me a little credit, Judy.  I suggested that you follow his example of being courteous and respectful.  Your comment was mean and uncalled for. You know better. Terry ================================================================ Let's get real here Terry ... Satan comes as an angel of light - so are you saying that it's OK to dispense spiritual poison so long as one is nice, polite, and dosen't offend anyone?  This is how all cults begin....   On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:07:52 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Stay tuned.  Maybe you can learn from observing others, possibly Dave Hansen.  ========================================================== -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.