Might I suggest that you go back to the beginning of this mess and read
it again? I think you will find that I made no mention of compromise, no
mention of tolerance, no mention of watered down faith. What I did
suggest is that we love one another, whether you see the other person as a
friend or an enemy, saved or lost, love him/her anyway. If you haven't
done that, leave your offering at the alter and go get right with your
neighbor. Judy is capable of more than sarcasm and so are you. God
has given you more talent than that. Correct where correction is called
for, but do it in a way that it is more likely to be accepted than
resisted. Reproof is sometimes needed, but that is not all that is
needed. No one ever nagged another into following Christ.
That make
sense?
Terry
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Kevin Deegan wrote:
Jer But thou shalt say unto them, This is a
nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor
receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off
from their mouth.
Did JT say he was
a "willing servant of Satan"? Are you saying JT "HATES" DH, she is unloving?
I do not think JT or anyone here questions DH's sincerity!!!!
Paul did not question the sincerity or zealousness of his people the
Jews, just their KNOWledge of the TRUTH!
RM 10 For I bear them record that they have
a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
He then proceeds Verse 3 to call them IGNORANT the root of IGNORAMUS!
Be a nice Christian Paul stop calling names. Why not get mad at Paul he was
a name caller, JT did not call DH a name did she?
Someone once
said, Am I become your enemy because I tell you the
TRUTH?
I'm sorry I do not think JT is "looking for excuses to disparage"
anymore than Paul was, just standing up for what she believes in.
Are you preaching TOLERANCE? "Tolerance is the virtue
of the man without convictions." G K Chesterton
I can see somewhat how you FEEL but see this as the first step down the
slippery slope into the abyss of heresy or at least luke warm feel good
Christianity. Remember there are NO Heresies in a DEAD Faith.
Are you preaching always be positive, be
nice?
How does one obey the command to REPROVE & REBUKE while yet being
positive. I would say that correction of Error is in itself positive,
loving and Charitable. Those that hate Rebuke are Brutes & will die
proverbs 12:1 & 15:10
The word of God is given for Reproof, Correction and instruction. 2 Tim
3:16
Cultivating Truth requires the Rooting out of Error, this is not a
pleasant process especially to weeds.
Prov 15:10 Correction is grievous unto him
that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall
die.
Is this not just an underhanded attempt at Compromise rather than
Truth? Lets have unity at the expense of truth, pass the poison PLEASE!
Confederacy with error is INFIDELITY to God!
Do as your conscience demands, be a nice polite christian like JD I
intend to FIGHT the GOOD FIGHT of FAITH!
By entertaining of strange persons, men sometimes entertain angels
unawares: but by entertaining of strange doctrines, many have
entertained devils unaware.-- John Flavel
"Before I preach love, mercy, and grace, I must preach sin, Law, and
judgement." -John Wesley
"From the Liberality which says that everybody is right; from the
Charity which forbids to say that anybody is wrong; from
the Peace which is bought at the expense of Truth; may the good Lord deliver
us" (J.C. Ryle).
"On all hands we hear cries for unity in this and
unity in that; but in our mind the main need of this age is not compromise
but conscientiousness. First pure, then peaceable... It is easy to cry, A
confederacy, but that union that is not based on the truth of God is rather
a conspiracy than a communion. Charity by all means: but honesty
also. Love of course, but love to God as well as love to men, and love of
truth as well as love of union. It is exceedingly difficult in
these times to preserve ones fidelity before God and ones fraternity among
men. Should not the former be preferred to the latter if both cannot be
maintained? We think so" (C.H. Spurgeon).
The unattended garden will soon be overrun with weeds; the heart
that fails to cultivate truth and root out
error will shortly be a theological wilderness. A.W. Tozer
Kevin,
it was, in my opinion, mean to cast Dave as a dispenser of spiritual
poison and it was mean to suggest that I would approve of it if he
did. Dave is usually on the learning end of these discussions.
He seldom tries to teach, and when he does, he is teaching what he
honestly believes, just as we all are. To me, there is a vast
difference between being in error because of what you have been taught and
being a willing servant of Satan. My whole point of my original post
was that we need to stop the sarcasm, adopt the mind of Christ, then love
and pray for folks who may be in error rather than look for excuses to
disparage them. I know after three years what he believes, just as I
know what the others here believe. I have decided to love you all
anyway.
Terry
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Mean?
What exactly did JT do that was "mean"? Other than disagree.
Give
me a little credit, Judy. I suggested that you follow his
example of being courteous and respectful. Your comment was mean
and uncalled for. You know
better.
Terry
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Judy
Taylor wrote:
Let's get real here Terry ... Satan comes
as an angel of light - so are you saying that it's OK to
dispense
spiritual poison so long as one
is nice, polite, and dosen't offend anyone? That is how
all cults begin....
Stay tuned. Maybe you can learn from observing others,
possibly Dave Hansen.
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On
Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:33:59 -0500 Terry Clifton <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
I think we could start by being graceful, showing grace
rather than sarcasm, being more concerned about loving our
neighbor or our enemy than we are about pointing out errors in
what they believe. I am not suggesting that you adopt
their position or that you compromise what you believe.
I agree with you about the sarcasm
Terry - however the above kind of grace could also be
perceived as "being patronizing" especially since it is
not possible to give anyone a hug or a glass of cold
water.
I am saying that if you cannot agree, consider that they
are being sincere even if they are in error, and with that in
mind, very politely ask questions that will help them
understand better as well as help you understand them
better.
I don't know how to do that Terry - I
think Izzy is much better at it than me but sometimes her
questions are
misunderstood and she is accused or
less than godly motives. What's wrong with believing the
best of ppl
and questioning and examining
doctrine?
Try to remember that your opinion and three dollars will
get you a whopper at Burger King. Do not over estimate
the value of your contribution to the conversation. You
do not have to jump on every word someone else speaks, and
when you do, it simply creates a situation where everyone digs
in their heels and butts heads and everyone ends up defending
their position instead of trying to understand what the other
guy is trying to say.
FWIW in this group I don't believe
there can be a conversation without some butting of heads.
What is believing one thing in the heart and speaking
something else out of the mouth called again? It's
either butt heads or be silent.
Jesus, Peter and Paul spoke a great deal about loving
others. They said very little about winning a
debate.
For what it's worth. Terry
I don't know about all that
Terry. Peter and Paul didn't always agree and Paul and
Barnabus parted ways over
John Mark - and these are just the
few instances we know about .... Nothing wrong with honest
discussion so
far as I'm concerned and some
communication is better than
none.
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Judy
Taylor wrote:
We
are all proudly proclaiming how right we are, but to
claim that we are doing it in love would be a bald
faced lie. The fault does not lie with you alone
as I have been as guilty as anyone, and it is not only
the fault of the Fundies as the Libs can be just as
mean spirited as well.
How would you say one is to love over
the internet Terry?
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