Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

[knpraise]

 

 I know after three years what he believes, just as I know what the others here believe.  I have decided to love you all anyway.

Isn't this exactly what God has done?   Ooooooohhhh, you betcha !!!  

 

JD

 

 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:25:50 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

Kevin, it was, in my opinion, mean to cast Dave as a dispenser of spiritual poison and it was mean to suggest that I would approve of it if he did.  Dave is usually on the learning end of these discussions.  He seldom tries to teach, and when he does, he is teaching what he honestly believes, just as we all are.  To me, there is a vast difference between being in error because of what you have been taught and being a willing servant of Satan.  My whole point of my original post was that we need to stop the sarcasm, adopt the mind of Christ, then love and pray for folks who may be in error rather than look for excuses to disparage them.  I know after three years what he believes, just as I know what the others here believe.  I have decided to love you all anyway.
Terry


Kevin Deegan wrote:

Mean?

What exactly did JT do that was "mean"? Other than disagree.

So to disagree with you is mean and uncalled for?

Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Give me a little credit, Judy.  I suggested that you follow his example of being courteous and respectful.  Your comment was mean and uncalled for. You know better.
Terry
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Judy Taylor wrote:

Let's get real here Terry ... Satan comes as an angel of light - so are you saying that it's OK to dispense

spiritual poison so long as one is nice, polite, and dosen't offend anyone?  That is how all cults begin....

 

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:07:52 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Stay tuned.  Maybe you can learn from observing others, possibly Dave Hansen.  ==========================================================

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:33:59 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I think we could start by being graceful, showing grace rather than sarcasm, being more concerned about loving our neighbor or our enemy than we are about pointing out errors in what they believe.  I am not suggesting that you adopt their position or that you compromise what you believe. 

 

I agree with you about the sarcasm Terry - however the above kind of grace could also be perceived as "being patronizing" especially since it is not possible to give anyone a hug or a glass of cold water.

 

I am saying that if you cannot agree, consider that they are being sincere even if they are in error, and with that in mind, very politely ask questions that will help them understand better as well as help you understand them better. 

 

I don't know how to do that Terry - I think Izzy is much better at it than me but sometimes her questions are

misunderstood and she is accused or less than godly motives.  What's wrong with believing the best of ppl

and questioning and examining doctrine?

 

Try to remember that your opinion and three dollars will get you a whopper at Burger King.  Do not over estimate the value of your contribution to the conversation.  You do not have to jump on every word someone else speaks, and when you do, it simply creates a situation where everyone digs in their heels and butts heads and everyone ends up defending their position instead of trying to understand what the other guy is trying to say. 

 

FWIW in this group I don't believe there can be a conversation without some butting of heads. What is believing one thing in the heart and speaking something else out of the mouth called again?  It's either butt heads or be silent.

 

Jesus, Peter and Paul spoke a great deal about loving others.  They said very little about winning a debate.
For what it's worth.  Terry

 

I don't know about all that Terry.  Peter and Paul didn't always agree and Paul and Barnabus parted ways over

John Mark - and these are just the few instances we know about .... Nothing wrong with honest discussion so

far as I'm concerned and some communication is better than none.
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Judy Taylor wrote:

From: Terry Clifton

We are all proudly proclaiming how right we are, but to claim that we are doing it in love would be a bald faced lie.  The fault does not lie with you alone as I have been as guilty as anyone, and it is not only the fault of the Fundies as the Libs can be just as mean spirited as well.

 

How would you say one is to love over the internet Terry?

 

 

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