Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

[Dave Hansen]

DAVEH:   Haven't you been reading Perry's posts about it?......... Perry wrote: What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is *a pure waste of time* to conjecture otherwise. ........It seems that whenever (with some occasional exceptions....DavidM) I've tried to discuss the Fall of A&E with Protestants, they don't want to consider what happened prior to the Fall that precipitated the Fall.  Does that make sense, JD?  From my LDS perspective, there is a lot of extra-Biblical revelation that explains some of the oddities about the Fall of A&E.  Protestants don't have that advantage, so their only response seems to be as Perry's above....a pure waste of time to consider what God wants to happen.     For instance....If God does not want sin to enter the world, why did he allow Satan to influence Eve?  Does Protestantism offer an answer to that question?     BTW........I suspect having a discussion such as this may cause some TTers to have a conniption, which will undoubtedly bring on a slew of ugly posts.  If you wish, we can take this off TT to keep it simple without all the distractions.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:     "limited view of the fall."   How so.   Poisoning?   Some think they are the protectors of the truth.   Most of us know that such effort is fully unnecessary.   We are all big boys and girls, in spite of our we often act.  You and Blaine included.....sorry. :-)        Anyway, give it a try.   "How so?"    JD     -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:39:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall DAVEH:   This topic fascinates me, as I'm very curious as to why the Protestants have such a limited (from my perspective) view of the Fall.  But for me to offer my thoughts on this event would be seen as poisoning the well by some TTers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Anyone care to have a real discussion  ???  I am still working on the "fall" of man.   Man is created out of the dust of the earth and returns to same when he dies.  He was created as a mortal  -  thus the tree of life is found in the garden.   I assume they ate of that tree up until the time they sinned or there was no point to the tree being there except for the story teller to reveal that A&E were driven from the garden because of the tree and what it offered.    The accounting of their temptation-to-sin reflects the very same process as exists in our lives.     There is no indication within the text that their nature or essence changed.    So why should I conclude that the fall included more than the record of the first sin event.    Virtually everyone I know and respect thinks there is more to the fall than the sin event.   Why?    I get a little nervous when I realize that I am the only one who thinks a particular thing.   Help.       JD