Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

[Kevin Deegan]

LDS say FALL brought JOY

2 Nephi 2:22-25And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end. And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin. But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who aknoweth all things. Adam fell that men might be; and men care, that they might have joy.
SIN SIN SIN - what a "joy" divine?

 

SIN is NOT a FORMALITY that servered a Eternal Purpose

"For reasons that have not been revealed, this transition, or "fall," could not happen without a transgression-an exercise of moral agency amounting to a willful breaking of a law (see Moses 6:59). This would be a planned offense, a formality to serve an eternal purpose. The Prophet Lehi explained that "if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen" but would have remained in the same state in which he was created (2 nephi 2:22). Missionary Preparation, Religion 130 p 74 Lesson 10

 

Please let us know who made the plan refered to above!

Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No Answer? Are these questions too tuff or too close to home?

Do you claim it was not the LDS god's purpose to be fulfilled by TRANSGRESSION?

Do you see the fall as just a FORMALITY, a PLANNED Offense, to serve an eternal purpose?

Do you believe that God commanded Adam & then said nevertheless choose for yourself?

Was the FALL - SIN or was it not?

Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

DAVEH:  Do you believe the Snake represents God or Satan, Izzy?  If you think LDS folks believe the Snake to represent "God", then perhaps you would logically and correctly conclude that LDS folks believe God tempted man.  If LDS folks believe the Snake represents Satan, then the logic of Kevin's argument falls apart.

ShieldsFamily wrote:

(Ever hear of the Snake, Dave?) iz

 

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

 

DAVEH:  Normally I do not engage you in theological discussions, Kevin.  But I'm having trouble resisting on this one.  Do you literally believe the Bible when it says that God tempts no man to sin?  Assuming the answer is yes, then is it not be true that God did not tempt the only man alive to sin in the Garden of Eden?  For that matter, who tempted woman in the Garden....do you believe LDS folks teach it was God as your below logic suggests?   If not, then why would you use such illogical reasoning to explain why my beliefs are wrong?

    Aarrrrggggggggh......I wish I had the fortitude to not bend my own rules!     :-(

Kevin Deegan wrote:

LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This proves that the God of Mormonism is not the same charater as the God of the bible who tempts no man to sin! it is that "Angel of light" that tempts men to sin.

Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

DAVEH:  I find that an interesting response, Perry.  Why do you think it is a pure waste of time to consider what God wanted, and Lucifer frustrated?  Extrapolating that logic, it would be a waste of time for folks to talk about becoming perfect as commanded by the Lord.

Perry wrote:
What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is a pure waste of time to conjecture otherwise.

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