This argument is from the same SICKO who said on the basis of the
following verse he has decided Jesus was GAY. SICK! JN 13:23 Now there
was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
--- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see no argument for homosexuality. Homosexuals are an abomination
> to God, yet David was a man after God's heart. David was therefore
not a homosexual. Whoever wrote the trash you offered was a liar, or
did not understand the customs of the times, or both.
> _This one should jerk Judy's chain if she is still around. :)_
> Terry
> ====================================================================
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > *In case you were curious, here is a rather well stated argument
> for
> > homosexuality.*
> > *Enjoy. *
> > **
> > *JD *
> >
> >
> >
> > The Bible has often been used as a weapon to condemn homosexuality
> as
> > sinful or
> > immoral. It is often overlooked and even outrightly denied that
> some
> > of the
> > heroes in the Bible were themselves homosexual. The story of
> Jonathan
> > and David
> > is one of the more obvious cases.
> >
> >
> >
> > For the sake of simplicity, I'll let the Bible itself unfold most
> of
> > the story.
> >
> >
> >
> > After David's heroic victory over the Philistine giant, Goliath, in
> 1
> > Samual,
> > Chapter 17, David meets Jonathan for the first time.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto
> Saul,
> > that the
> > soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan
> loved
> > him as his
> > own soul. 2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no
> more
> > home to his
> > father's house. 3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because
> he
> > loved him
> > as his own soul. 4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that
> was
> > upon him,
> > and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, a nd to
> his
> > bow, and
> > to his girdle. 1 Samuel 18: 1-4
> >
> >
> >
> > Their souls are knit together, they love each other so much that
> they
> > made a
> > covenant with each other, and Jonathan, son of the King, strips
> before
> > David,
> > who is much lower in rank and status.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the next passages, David's popularity and military achievements
> are
> > advanced,
> > and King Saul starts getting jealous of all the attention being
> paid
> > to David.
> > In order to trap him, Saul makes David his son-in-law by giving him
> his
> > daughter, Michal, to wed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some people may stop right here and say that if David married
> Michal,
> > it's proof
> > that he didn't have a homosexual relationship with Jonathan. There
> are
> > several
> > flaws to this argument. First, their marriage was probably only
> > political. Saul
> > offers his daughter's hand in marriage only as part of a greater
> plot
> > to get at
> > David. And while it was said that Michal loved David, the Bible
> never
> > says that
> > he loved her back. Also, we know from other ancient cultures such
> as
> > the Greeks
> > and even the Philistines, that heterosexual marriages weren't
> necessarily
> > exclusive. It's very possible that David could have been bisexual.
> >
> >
> >
> > In 1 Samuel 19, Saul tries to kill David, and David eventually
> flees
> > in 1 Samuel
> > 20.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1 And David fled from Naioth in Ramah, and came and said before
> > Jonathan, What
> > have I done? what is mine iniquity? and what is my sin before thy
> > father, that
> > he seeketh my life? 2 And he said unto him, God forbid; thou shalt
> not
> > die:
> > behold, my father will do nothing either great or small, but that
> he
> > will shew
> > it me: and why should my father hide this thing from me? it is not
> so.
> > 3 And
> > David sware moreover, and said, Thy father certainly knoweth that I
>
> > have found
> > grace in thine eyes; and he saith, Let not Jonathan know this, lest
> he be
> > grieved: but truly as the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth,
> there
> > is but a
> > step between me and death. 4 Then said Jonathan unto David,
> Whatsoever
> > thy soul
> > desireth, I will even do it for thee. 1 Samuel 20: 3-4
> >
> >
> >
> > David and Jonathan continue talking about what to do about
> Jonathan's
> > father.
> > Then they part ways so Jonathan can go somewhere safe. Again they
> make a
> > covenant with each other, and swear their love for each other.
> > Jonathan loved
> > David "as he loved his own soul".
> >
> >
> >
> > 16 So Jonathan made a covenant with the house of David, saying, Let
>
> > the LORD
> > even require it at the hand of David's enemies. 17 And Jonathan
> caused
> > David to
> > swear again, because he loved him: for he loved him as he loved his
>
> > own soul. 1
> > Samuel 20: 16-17
> >
> >
> >
> > In the next passages, they plan to meet again so that Jonathan can
> let
> > David
> > know whether he should come back safe from Saul, or whether he
> should
> > go away.
> > And Jonathan talks to his father. Saul tells Jonathan that he is
> > confused in his
> > love for David. He also says that as long as David is around,
> Jonathan
> > won't
> > establish his lineage or kingdom. This certainly has all the
> elements
> > of a
> > com ing out story.
> >
> >
> >
> > 30 Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto
>
> > him, Thou
> > son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast
> > chosen the
> > son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy
> > mother's
> > nakedness? 31 For as long as the son of Jesse liveth upon the
> ground,
> > thou shalt
> > not be established, nor thy kingdom. Wherefore now send and fetch
> him
> > unto me,
> > for he shall surely die. 1 Samuel 20: 30-31
> >
> >
> >
> > Jonathan warns David that his father is still angry, and that he's
> not
> > safe.
> > They reaffirm their covenant to each other, kiss each other, cry
> over the
> > situation, and I'm not even going to try to interpret what it might
>
> > mean when
> > the passage says "David exceeded".
> >
> >
> >
> > 41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place
> toward
> > the south,
> > and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times:
> and
> > they
> > kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David
> exceeded.
> > 42 And
> > Jonath an said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn
> both
> > of us in
> > the name of the LORD, saying, The LORD be between me and thee, and
> > between my
> > seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan
>
> > went into
> > the city. 1 Samuel 20: 41-42
> >
> > In 2 Samuel 1, David hears about the death of Saul and Jonathan in
> > battle. He
> > mourns their deaths, and remembers his times together with Jonathan
>
> > stating that
> > Jonathan's love for him was stronger than Jonathan's love for
> women.
> >
> >
> >
> > 25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O
> Jonathan,
> > thou wast
> > slain in thine high places. 26 I am distressed for thee, my brother
>
> > Jonathan:
> > very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful,
>
> > passing the
> > love of women. 2 Samuel 1:26
> >
> >
> >
> > Well that's their story as told in the Holy Bible. There are other
> > Bible heroes
> > that are rumoured to have been gay or lesbian. Among them are Ruth
> and
> > Naomi,
> > Daniel and an eunuch, and the Apostle Paul (though if he wa s, he
> had
> > his own
> > issues with sexuality).
> >
>
>
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