Are you having any conversations with any Democrat Republicans? LOL --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The post below is from a conversation I am having with a gay > Christian. I will not be calling him names anytime soon. Patient > dialogue is the only avenue open. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:22:14 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for > homosecuality > > > PERVERT ALERT! > > Who were the other PERVERTS? > > "It is often overlooked and even outrightly denied that some of the > heroes in the Bible were themselves homosexual." > > Can you believe the Audacity of some to OUT-right deny the above > statement? > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > In case you were curious, here is a rather well stated argument > for > > homosexuality. > > Enjoy. > > > > JD > > > > > > > > The Bible has often been used as a weapon to condemn homosexuality > as > > sinful or immoral. It is often overlooked and even outrightly > denied > that some> of the heroes in the Bible were themselves homosexual. > The > story of Jonathan> and David > is one of the more obvious cases. > > > > > > > > For the sake of simplicity, I'll let the Bible itself unfold most > of > > the story. > > > > > > > > After David's heroic victory over the Philistine giant, Goliath, in > 1 > > Samual, > > Chapter 17, David meets Jonathan for the first time. > > > > > > > > 1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto > Saul, > > that the > > soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan > loved > > him as his > > own soul. 2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no > more > > home to his > > father's house. 3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because > he > > loved him > > as his own soul. 4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that > was > > upon him, > > and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to > his > > bow, and > > to his girdle. 1 Samuel 18: 1-4 > > > > > > > > Their souls are knit together, they love each other so much that > they > > made a > > covenant with each other, and Jonathan, son of the King, strips > > before David, > > who is much lower in rank and status. > > > > > > > > In the next passages, David's popularity and military achievements > > are advanced, > > and King Saul starts getting jealous of all the attention being > paid > > to David. > > In order to trap him, Saul makes David his son-in-law by giving him > > his > > daughter, Michal, to wed. > > > > > > > > Some people may stop right here and say that if David married > Michal, > > it's proof > > that he didn't have a homosexual relationship with Jonathan. There > > are several > > flaws to this argument. First, their marriage was probably only > > political. Saul > > offers his daughter's hand in marriage only as part of a greater > plot > > to get at > > David. And while it was said that Michal loved David, the Bible > never > > says that > > he loved her back. Also, we know from other ancient cultures such > as > > the Greeks > > and even the Philistines, that heterosexual marriages weren't > > necessarily > > exclusive. It's very possible that David could have been bisexual. > > > > > > > > In 1 Samuel 19, Saul tries to kill David, and David eventually > flees > > in 1 Samuel > > 20. > > > > > > > > 1 And David fled from Naioth in Ramah, and came and said before > > Jonathan, What > > have I done? what is mine iniquity? and what is my sin before thy > > father, that > > he seeketh my life? 2 And he said unto him, God forbid; thou shalt > > not die: > > behold, my father will do nothing either great or small, but that > he > > will shew > > it me: and why should my father hide this thing from me? it is not > > so. 3 And > > David sware moreover, and said, Thy father certainly knoweth that I > > have found > > grace in thine eyes; and he saith, Let not Jonathan know this, lest > > he be > > grieved: but truly as the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, > there > > is but a > > step between me and death. 4 Then said Jonathan unto David, > > Whatsoever thy soul > > desireth, I will even do it for thee. 1 Samuel 20: 3-4 > > > > > > > > David and Jonathan continue talking about what to do about > Jonathan's > > father. > > Then they part ways so Jonathan can go somewhere safe. Again they > > make a > > covenant with each other, and swear their love for each other. > > Jonathan loved > > David "as he loved his own soul". > > > > > > > > 16 So Jonathan made a covenant with the house of David, saying, Let > > the LORD > > even require it at the hand of David's enemies. 17 And Jonathan > > caused David to > > swear again, because he loved him: for he loved him as he loved his > > own soul. 1 > > Samuel 20: 16-17 > > > > > > > > In the next passages, they plan to meet again so that Jonathan can > > let David > > know whether he should come back safe from Saul, or whether he > should > > go away. > > And Jonathan talks to his father. Saul tells Jonathan that he is > > confused in his > > love for David. He also says that as long as David is around, > > Jonathan won't > > establish his lineage or kingdom. This certainly has all the > elements > > of a > > coming out story. > > > > > > > > 30 Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto > > him, Thou > > son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast > > chosen the > > son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy > > mother's > > nakedness? 31 For as long as the son of Jesse liveth upon the > ground, > > thou shalt > > not be established, nor thy kingdom. Wherefore now send and fetch > him > > unto me, > > for he shall surely die. 1 Samuel 20: 30-31 > > > > > > > > Jonathan warns David that his father is still angry, and that he's > > not safe. > > They reaffirm their covenant to each other, kiss each other, cry > over > > the > > situation, and I'm not even going to try to interpret what it might > > mean when > > the passage says "David exceeded". > > > > > > > > 41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place > toward > > the south, > > and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: > > and they > > kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David > exceeded. > > 42 And > > Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn > both > > of us in > > the name of the LORD, saying, The LORD be between me and thee, and > > between my > > seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan > > went into > > the city. 1 Samuel 20: 41-42 > > > > In 2 Samuel 1, David hears about the death of Saul and Jonathan in > > battle. He > > mourns their deaths, and remembers his times together with Jonathan > > stating that > > Jonathan's love for him was stronger than Jonathan's love for > women. > > > > > > > > 25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O > Jonathan, > > thou wast > > slain in thine high places. 26 I am distressed for thee, my brother > > Jonathan: > > very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, > > passing the > > love of women. 2 Samuel 1:26 > > > > > > > > Well that's their story as told in the Holy Bible. There are other > > Bible heroes > > that are rumoured to have been gay or lesbian. Among them are Ruth > > and Naomi, > > Daniel and an eunuch, and the Apostle Paul (though if he was, he > had > > his own > > issues with sexuality). > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how > you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you > have a friend > who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > he will be subscribed. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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