Only in your dreams JD. Holiness, blamelessness
and being above reproach is where we are to walk.
Sanctification is a second work of grace in the life of
the believer. The one who is righteous DOES
righteousness - it is not just dropped on him.
Sin is lawlessness.
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 07:12:31 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We must overcome where A&E failed. He wants us to work to that end. But to say "we must" is overstating our involvement in the situation. Holiness, blamelessness and being above reproach "happen" to us the instant we accept Christ. In Christ, right now, I am as pure as it gets. It is flat out heresy to disagree or to teach otherwise. In God's "plan" of salvation He first absolves us from all that causes our defeat and then helps to bring our person into this reality. We don't work to get saved, rather, we work because we are saved ----- Soteriology 101.JD
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
Why?We have the same Word he used to defeat the adversary and that He followed. We have also been given thesame Spirit to empower and help us and lead us into ALL truth or don't you believe what is written Lance? jtOn Sun, 2 Oct 2005 05:17:40 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:If all that Jesus did was to 'leave us an example' then we're 'cooked'.From: Judy TaylorFrom what I recall you read this into some passage in the book of Revelation JD. However if you got someonetrained in statistics to compare the number of those at the end to all who have ever lived what would this percentagelook like? The walk of faith is not a list of Gk words and/or doctrines JD so these are a moot point. We must overcomewhere A&E failed. Jesus did it while in the flesh and He left us an example - His are the steps we are to follow. It isworking out your own salvation with fear and trembling rather than a religious good 'ol boy network who all subscribeto the same self serving 'big picture' - and that's my monologue for today. jtOn Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:31:37 -0400 knpraise@aol.com writes:Again , you make comment that has little to do with what I have written. At least you are consistent.You really like the sound of the "narrow road" thingy, don'e you? I prefer the part that says there are so many, they cannot be counted.JD
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
So?We may be at different places in our pilgrimage but are basically travelling the same road which is thenarrow path with he strait gate. Whereas others on TT appear to be breathing rarified air and on thebroad road ... jtOn Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:30:48 -0400 knpraise@aol.com writes:I have a definition and fully understand what "judgmentalism" is. Nothing double tongued about it. Give me your definition and I'll share mine. The clear reason why you Wingers refuse to present a list of doctrines upon which we must all agree has to do with the impossibility of the matter -- your list, Deegan's list, Judy's list or DM's list would not be the same !!! So you all pretend to agree with each other while refusing, at the same time, to offer specifics as to this mythological list. You judge others to hell but refuse to be accountable. &n bsp; Ditto on this definition for judgmentalism. You all cannot give a definition that does not find yourselves at fault.But I already knew this.JD
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How can you be so double-tongued, JD? You accuse me of that all the time!!! iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of knpraise@aol.com
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Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecualityI believe it is spelled "judgmentalism," Bub, and why bring up the word anyway - no one on the right has a clue as to its definition. Hard to accuse someone of it when you don't know what it is.JD
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And your Judgemental too!Is your Brand of HATE speech and JUDGEMENTALISM allowed in the People's Republique of CANUCKastan?
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Kevin: Y'all confuse HONESTY with HATEFULNESS. Y'all don't SPEAK, Kevin, y'all SPEW! JD has recognized this 'bout y'all since I bin on TT.----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: September 29, 2005 15:51Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecualityStop being so HATEfull Lance.
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:He did indeed 'hit sin on the head', Judy. Mostly however, he hit it on the head with those in the 'churches' of His day. That ring any bells with any of you out there? (Judy, Kevin, Iz) At whom/with whom do we see His anger most expressed? At whom/with whom do we see the opposite? Why look, it's the very ones y'all choose to hate, demonstrate against etc. Hmm mmmmmmmm strange hugh? Do we all read the sa me Bible?----- Original Message -----From: Judith H TaylorSent: September 29, 2005 07:52Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecualityWhy arn't you talking about the "gay issue?" We are supposed to minister the way Jesus did as He is our exampleand He always hit sin head on ie He confronted the rich young ruler with his heart of covetousness which he was notyet willing to part with. Jesus didn't chase after him and keep talking about grace. He did minister to those God showedHim and warned them to go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon them. But He didn't minister to everyone he met.Today we take sin so lightly because we don't believe God means what He says or that the chaos in our lives is rootedin sin and unrighteousness. God is supposed to bless this mess because of grace, because he loves us so much and thisis the lie. He will not do it because to do so He would have to violate His own Word. You can talk grace till the cowscome home but until this person hears the truth and is willing to repent from the heart God will not honor your words JD.On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:15:10 -0500 Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net> writes:knpraise@aol.com wrote:I wish you well. TerryWell, maybe God has put us together "for such a time as this." Right now the relationship is something of a novelty -- at least for him. My conversation with him is different from "the others." So, maybe I might be able to make sense to him. What I am not doing is talking about the gay issue, per se. He is but I am trying to get him to stop and examine what it means when it says that "Christ died for us while we were YET sinners." My concern is that he understand the gospel of grace and , and, and, what it really mean s to be "saved." The new birth will produce& nbsp; - given time ............... so that is where I begin -----------&n bsp; with the new birth. JD====================================
