Good morning Andrew,
and welcome to Truth Talk.... are you a friend of Lance in Canada?
 
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 18:03:19 +1000 "Andrew C. Bain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
If someone doubts that they are a believer of the gospel, because they sin, then they do not understand the gospel.
 
How so? "He that says I know Him and keepeth not His Commandments is a liar
and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)  Liars don't inherit the Kingdom Andrew.
 
The WHOLE point of the gospel, is that Christ came to save filthy vile hell-deserving sinners who will continue to sin after their conversion (their change of mind to the truth).
 
Ditto.  The change is supposed to go a lot deeper than the mind Andrew and those
who choose the fear of the Lord are to "awake to righteousness and sin not"
 
 
The LAW was NEVER meant to be the grounds of someone's assurance before God. By it is the knowledge of sin. By it Christians are convicted of sin.
 
The law was given to teach the "fear of God" (Deut 4:10) and it was to be read to
Israel every 7yrs so that the children would hear and learn to fear the Lord (Deut 31:13)
 
But how do we know their is a Law? How do you know their is such a thing called sin? Where did you read that adultery is wrong, drunkenness is rebellion, and bitterness is abominable? By the Word of God. Well, doesn't the Word also say, "By His knowledge shall My righteous servant justify many" and "HE SHALL BEAR THEIR INIQUITIES" (Isa53). So if you have the knowledge of Christ, you are justified.
 
Hold up Andrew! You can't take one passage and run with it making it say something
the author never intended because scripture must be understood in the light of other
scripture. Yes Jesus knew enough to stay the course and become a sacrifice for you and me when he could have yeilded to temptation or chosen his own flesh in the garden.
 
If you believe that Christ was a ransom for many, your iniquities are as far as west is from east.
 
You are doing it again Andrew - running off with the part you like and ignoring the rest.
Psalm 103:12,13,14 is where the above is taken from "As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him. For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust"
 
Looks to me like something is missing from your gospel Andrew. There should be a little fear of God in there which to start with is the beginning of wisdom (Prov 1:7) and which  causes one to depart from evil (Prov 3:7, Prov 16:6)
 
How can you doubt? How can you doubt God? He can't lie. He knows everything. And He says that ALL who believe in Christ ARE .... no pause ... they ARE JUSTIFIED from ALL THINGS that they could not be justified by the Law of Moses (Acts 13:39). To doubt His testimony is to spit in his face (so to speak), call Him a Liar, and blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.
 
I don't doubt God Andrew - I adhere to His whole counsel, not just part.  Yes Jesus died to justify many - The law of Moses was weak but only because of our flesh.
 
Recently, someone tried to tell me that the NT Hebrew Christians doubted their salvation, because they were wondering whether or not Christ had atoned for their wicked Judaism prior to their conversions. Now, I agree that converted Jews would have been convicted of the apostasy of their past Judaism. And this conviction arose from the Bible. The believing Jews in Rome would have been convicted by Romans 10. Here, God judges Israel apostate. He basically says Israel is full of Pharisees and hypocrites IGNORANT of the righteousness of God. But does God stop there, leaving all the Jews dead in their sins? Without faith, without hope, without God in the world? No. God never sends someone the Law without the Gospel.
 
Andrew do you have a problem with Jews?
 
And imagine one converted Jew -- who we'll call Yechezkel -- reading Romans 10. Yechezkel would have been reminded that when he was an apostate Jew, he had NOT been  "submitted to the righteousness of God" and that he had been "ignorant of the righteousness of God". Yechezkel have would be convicted that he had been an Atheist, with NO knowledge or understanding of God (Romans 10:2). He had been BLIND. In Satan's grip. Dead in sins. Anti-Christian. A God-hater. A liar against God. A blasphemer against the Holy Spirit.
 
But this was all past for Yechezkel. He now believed that Jesus FULFILLED the prophecies of Old. He know believed that Christ was the END of the Law for righteousness. God had revealed to Yechezkel (by the Spirit testifying to the Word) that Christ fulfilled and magnified the Law for EVERYONE -- ALL those -- who have believed, do believe, and will believe. And only those who believe and are sure that He is the Christ, have His righteousness in their account.  God condemns doubters as lost. Romans 10:6: Do not say in your heart, Who will go into heaven? Romans 14:23 He that doubts ... is damned.
 
Yes .. and so is he who clutches a doctrine of men giving lip service while continuing to walk where he has always walked. Religious flesh is just as damned (Matt 13:13-15)
 
Yet, our imaginary friend Yechezkel has as much certainty that he will be heaven that Abraham is already.  Yechezkel only knows both of these truths by the Word. He's never seen Abraham in heaven. But God tells him that Abraham is. And guess what? God also says that not only was Abraham justified by His faith (that is, justified by who he believed in, Christ), but so is EVERYONE who believes.
 
I would hope Yechezkel also knows "by the Word" that he is to "awake to righteousness and sin not" because it is possible for one to be found professing Christ while denying Him ATST by his deeds.  The one who is righteous DOES righteousness (1 John 3:7,8). He that says I know Him and keepeth not His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:3,4)
 
Because if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED.
 
PS - So long as you are steadfast - learn to understand the fear of the Lord and endure rather than fall back into perdition like a dog who goes back to his vomit or a pig who continues wallowing in the mire.
 
Andrew Bain
Sydney, Australia
 
 

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