Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit

[David Miller]

The question is not whether or not there is a problem with the failings of mankind.  We all agree on that.  The question is whether or not Christ has provided a realistic solution to that problem.  You present salvation as some kind of legal loophole by a legalistic God rather than as a real and pragmatic solution for our daily living.  All of your statements below involve numerous unsupported assumptions and also personal translations of passages that differ from almost every published translation.  Should we begin to address them one by one?  I doubt you are really interested.  You seem to think you have it all worked out already.   Soteriology 4401 Student and servant of all, David Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit   The Bible is replete with references to the failings of mankind.  The Older Testament comment that there are none who are [fully] righteous,  none who [fully] seek out God, none who truly understand [Him or His ways}  is confirmed by Paul to those who are saved,  recipients of the same Spirit we have today,   fellow saints  (Romans 3:10ff).   These comments beginning with verse 10 make 3:23 even more difficult to resist:   We have sinned and continually fall short of His glory.     BECAUSE that is true,   God substitutes faith for our righteousness (as Andrew and BillyT say  "the faith of Christ") and justification then occurs on our behalf   (Romans  4:3).   As a result of that blessing,   our sins  --  past, present and future  -   are no longer taken into account  (Ro 4:8)   and the Hebrews passage that tells us His death for our sins was "once and for all time"   becomes even more understandable.       Works in Ro 4:3 is most definitely the workings of obedience to the law  of God.    The works found in James 2 are not such.       Soteriology 101 ,  session #2     Pastor  and resident Smithmeister,   JD       -----Original Message----- From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:00:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit Bill's life is rather full just now. He's recently commenced a new job. I don't think that he should feel hornswoggled into an overlong and possibly tedious conversation with you on this matter, David. Why not just consider yourself to have the mind of God on this and, the rest of us intellectual mites to be incapable of following the complexity of your arguments? It's that you're too smart; we're too dumb thingy, O great one!  ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>  Sent: October 06, 2005 12:50  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit    > Lance wrote:  >> Bill Taylor is the one I had in mind.  >  > I don't recall Bill ever making the argument that we will always sin every  > day, or that all of us participate in our relationship with Christ  > inadequately and incompletely. I suspect Bill may recognize that there > has  > been a day or two in his life when he has not sinned.  >  > Bill, will you clarify your theological perspective? Do you have a > Biblical  > argument for the viewpoint that nobody is complete in Christ and that > those  > in Christ will continue to sin on a daily basis?  >  > Peace be with you.  > David Miller.  >  > ----------  > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www..InnGlory.org >  > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.  >   ----------  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org    If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.