JD wrote:
> I know Bill and say amen because I know
> what the man believes..............  party lines
> have nothing to do with it.

If you cannot see that Bill tried hard to express agreement on both sides of 
this issue, then you yourself are partisan.  I do not fault Bill for this. 
I applaud it.  My own father was like this in many ways.  It is the 
characteristic of a peace maker, and believe me, God loves peace makers. 
Nevertheless, you do not seem to acknowledge that you agree with Bill, not 
because of what he wrote, but because of your relationship and affection for 
Bill.  This is what is meant by "political" or "party lines."

JD wrote:
> You on the other hand have only Bill's post and your bias.

So your inside track gives you the advantage in understanding Bill better 
than me, is that what you are saying?  You only illustrate how elitism 
develops.  No wonder you pursue a Ph.D. so late in life.

JD wrote:
> I can't imagine that Lance does not believe that we are
> made perfect by the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.
> You simply do not understand Pastor Muir.  ...  that's all.

You seem to be forgetting what this whole thread was about.  It was about 
the words of Lance, teaching us that we all participate "inadequately and 
incompletely" in our relationship with Christ and with each other.  Read 
again what Lance wrote:

Lance wrote:
> As 'believers, we  'participate' (in our relationship with Him
> and with each other) inadequately and incompletely EVERY
> DAY. This is the reality of the Christian life. Any voice, human
> or otherwise, who would suggest that this is not the case speaks
> against the truth of the gospel.

Contrast the words of Lance with the wonderful words of John the apostle:

1 John 1:3
(3) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may 
have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and 
with his Son Jesus Christ.

Now if Lance had merely expressed his viewpoint that none of us are complete 
in Christ, he would be like most other men, but he has now gone much further 
than that, stepping into the realm of blasphemy.  Lance is now speaking 
authoritatively that anyone who would suggest that this is not the case, 
speaks against the truth of the gospel.  Lance has made himself an enemy of 
the gospel of Jesus Christ.  The problem is that neither you nor Bill has 
recognized this.  This is a simple case where friendship and party 
affiliation must be set aside for the greater good of the truth of the 
gospel.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 

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