Re: [TruthTalk] Antinomianism Refuted

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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:11:02 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Christ is the exception to all the rules, David.  

 

Rather Christ IS the RULE JD and He left us an example that we should follow in His steps

 

You have no idea as to the context of my statement  -   but I am getting use to that

failing.    He was not mere man, simply a representative of the triune God.  ro 5: 12 does not include Christ.   Eph 4:20-24 does not apply to Him.   I Jo 1:9 is not descriptive of his reality.   Ro 7:25 is for us and does not describe His servitude.   His life was of the Spirit without measure.  He was and is the eternal son of God, making Him equal to God. Even as the incarnate God, He was and is the creator of all things.   He authored our faith and brings it to completion  -----------   we cannot do any of this.   As the incarnate God, He has a memory of the way things were before the worlds were formed  --  we must live by faith and not sight.   That is what I had in mind.   "Following in His steps" does not me an that we will ever be on equal standing with this, our God.   He will forever be our example.   He will forever be more than we can hope to be.   Our righteousness will never be as complete as His.   There is Christ and  then, there is the rest of us.  In this regard, He is the exception to the rule.  

You compare yourself to the One whose ways are infinitely above our ways, the author

and finisher of our faith,  the solo complii of all that we are told to do or want to accomplish.  

 

His is the "image" we are to be conformed to JD - so it looks like your/our ways had better

change; and all this rhetoric about his being the solo complii is hot air only unless you have

the kind of faith that is DEAD.

 

You are such a heretic,  Judy.   Not even close to knowing why it is that you are saved.  

 

You place Him in the middle of our circumstance as if He is just another David Miller .  

Apparently, you see statements that affirm "His becoming like us in all respects " as a

confirmation of Him being a mere human. 

 

What would you call Him?  He layed aside the glory he had with the father and took upon

Himself a human body with the same limitations we have; but for his faith and obedience.

 

Even in His limitations, He was more than we could ever hope to be  --  see the above. 

 

When Paul confirms that there is none who are righteous, he does not include the Christ  

OF COURSE. We will never be like Him because He is God and we will never be and I have

to believe that you accept this statement, as well. 

 

Oh, then your gospel does not believe it possible for us to be "conformed to His image"

which is what the Church is predestined to be?  Talk about adding and subtracting from

the truth of God.

 

Our conforming is never done, in this life,  soooooooooooo,  no, it will never be that our righteousness will rise to His level.   Never.   You, Linda, Deegan, DM, Lance, Bill,  G and even Me are living proof of this point.   I know Jesus, Judy Taylor and you, dear lady, are no Jesus Christ !!!!!!!!  

 

I will take some time to deal with your "exegetical" considerations.   There is a difference

between "contextual consideration" and that which is "exegetical."   But, no matter.   JD

 

Here we go again dum de dum de dah ... when in a bind find some big theological words

for a filler.

 

 You just can't come up with anything worth while  to say, can you?   There is not a single thing in this, your response, that has value in terms of growth and maturity.  Nothing.  

I look forward to an intelligent response from David.   

 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

JD wrote to Judy:
> When the book declares that "none are righteous, no
> not [even] one," your bias closes your eyes to that
> declaration --  one stated in the Old and confirmed in
> the New to a group of fellow Christians.

You are lifting a passage completely out of context.  The book said this 
before Christ ever came.  Don't you think Christ is an exception to this 
statement by virtue of the fact that he lived outside its time frame?  And 
if you accept that Christ is righteous despite this declaration of the book, 
why can you not accept that those in Christ are also righteous despite this 
declaration of the book?

There is a parallel consideration found in 1 Cor. 2:10.  He quotes Isaiah 
saying, "eye hath not seen, nor ear heard..." etc.  You know the passage. 
However, in the very next verse, he says, "But God hath revealed them to us 
by his Spirit."  Therefore, when the Spirit enters the picture, the natural 
things spoken about man in the book no longer apply.  Without the Spirit, 
men do not know the things of God, but with the Spirit, they do.  Without 
the Spirit, there is none righteous, no not one.  With the Spirit and the 
cleansing of the Word, there are some who are righteous.  Whoever is in 
Christ is righteous, despite the declaration of the book that "none are 
righteous, no not one."

You have asked for exegesis.  Now you have some.  Deal with this from an 
exegetical perspective.  What say you?

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 

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