At what point do you all consider your grandchild to be something other than a family member -- during his times of discipline? When he is disobedient but not caught, yet? When he starts smoking or when he challenges going to church? Obedience/disobedience has to do with how we live our lives and nothing to do with our adoptive circumstance.

Jd

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You ask this question as if there were only one grandchild, John, trying to show that God would never cast out His grandson, no matter how disobedient. Let's change the picture just a little. Let us say that there are fifty grandchildren that the grandfather loves. Forty-nine are hard working industrious lovable grandchildren who love and adore ol'Papa and one is known far and wide, not by his given name, but as "That lyin', thieving, low down SOB that hates his Papa and everyone else."

Now comes a family event of some sort. Let us say a wedding feast. You can invite forty- nine grandchildren to the feast and everyone there will have a good time for all the time they are there. Or, you can invite fifty and let everyone have a miserable time. What would ol'gramps do?

Worse yet. Say your forty-nine grandkids are sweet innocent kids and that fiftieth is going to lead them all to Hell, ( the old one bad apple spoils the whole barrel thing.) Do you cling to the rotten apple, or throw it out?

I vote for casting out. I think that God does too. Why, you ask? Because He cast Adam out of the garden for one lousy sin and He cast Satan out of Heaven for the same reason. Deliberate sin is rebellion. It cost thousands their lives in Sodom. It cost millions their lives in the flood, and if you turn from God to deliberate sin, you are no better than those in Sodom and deserve the same treatment.

The only arguments against this thinking is that once saved, always saved thing that some talk about, presuming to have God's name on an unbreakable contract that allows you to do what you want after being baptized, and the pitiful argument that God is too loving to send people to Hell. Neither of which work for me.

I realize that I have not answered your question. I do not know at what point God may remove your name from the book, but God does know, and He will.
Terry

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