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Jesus Himself told the adultress, "Go and sin no more". That meant a
180 turn, a new direction, which is what repentance is all about. If one
will not do that, one cannot be saved.
Oh? To me it looks
like Jesus had already saved the adulteress, when he told her this.
What about those questions: did you want to address
them -- agreeably, of course?
Bill
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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 5:47
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Back tot he
garden
Let me say first that I suspect that we differ on many points,
Bill. That does not in any way presume that we are not brothers or that
we should not love one another.
I see many calls for repentance
recorded in the Bible. Jesus Himself told the adultress, " Go and sin no
more". That meant a 180 turn, a new direction, which is what repentance
is all about. If one will not do that, one cannot be saved.
Salvation is dependant on turning from what you want to what Christ
wants. Denying self, living for Him. Anything less than an honest
effort in that direction, in my opinion, is not faith.
God made salvation
possible so that we could be the bride of Christ. That requires a "Yes
Lord" on our part. God will not force His bride to love Him.
It must be voluntary, a decision we make. Otherwise it would be bondage,
not a relationship.
We agree that repentance is for those who are
capable of understanding sin and it's consequences, but I do not see
repentance as unnecessary for us because it is unnecessary for them.
That would, to me, indicate a very inflexable God. We both know that
this is not the case. I see us as both saying that repentance will come
about if you are saved. You apparently see it as a natural result, an
act of gratitude. It is that, I agree, but it, to my thinking is more
than that. If one has never been broken over his/her sinfulness, one
cannot possibly fully understand what Christ delivered us from. To be an
enemy of God at one moment, bound for eternal agony in Hell, and then to be
forgiven and adopted into the family the next moment is undoubtedly the result
of God's mercy and love. I can see why you might think that it is all
His doing, but a covenant, even though instituted by one party, must have the
terms of the covenant accepted by the other party to be effective.
I
doubt that you will agree, but at least maybe we can learn from Dave H and
disagree agreeably.
Terry
Taylor wrote:
I don't think repentance is a condition for
salvation, Terry -- not anyone's; hence not babies either. Rather,
repentance is a result of salvation (a position, I might add, which is
consistent with the idea that salvation is entirely of the Lord). Let
them repent who are old enough to know what it means to have a change
of mind.
Since you so obviously understand this
stuff: What do you think David meant when he said he was sinful at
birth, sinful from the time his mother conceived him? And what was Paul
talking about when he said that death spread to all, because all have
sinned?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Back tot he garden
What sins do these babies need to repent of, Bill?
Some things are so obvious that they need not be quibbled
over.
Taylor wrote:
"Yet salvation still requires a
decision to follow Christ and turning to Him from sin
(repentance)" (Emphasis mine).
All those poor little
babies who die still in the womb: damned -- no
salvation for them; can't meet the
requirements.
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Back tot he garden
I saw that. As usual, we are on the same
page.
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ShieldsFamily
wrote:
Agreed,
TerryI was just writing about that before I got this message.
J
iz
This Bible believing fundie
believes that you never could come to Christ without the urging of
the Holy Spirit. He always makes the first move. Yet
salvation still requires a decision to follow Christ and turning to
Him from sin (repentance). Only after that decision is made is
one filled with the
Spirit and enabled to walk the walk. The new testament is
filled with such
examples.
Terry
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