Dave, my notes are interleaved below.
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
I went back through the entire sequence of our exchanges (from the
archives) on the smoking thing and I realize that while the smoking
statement was offensive to me, the real insult came with your flippant
response and veiled apology loaded with further insults. While I did not
expect an apology from you for using the gest, I also did not expect
further abasement and belittling. That is what set me off.
DAVEH: What set me off is you playing stupid. I've got a pretty good
idea you are anything but stupid, Perry. Yet you sure sounded that way in
the way you acted offended by my smoking comment.
Dave, you are so dramatic. That sure is a nice thing to say about me. Do I
have your permission to consider that jest offensive (sorry for the previous
misspelling as "gest"), or are you not willing to allow me that, but instead
tell me how I should feel? I knew it was a jest, I was not playing stupid, I
just did not like that jest and told you so.
I accept your apology below, which I feel this time is genuine.
I also have recalled the whole incident after I called you "sly" a few
months back, for which I apologized, and since it is in my memory (which
is generally very good), and I do not have the hard copy messages to
demonstrate the situation, will not relate it on the forum. But, lets just
say, I was not lying to you about the sitution.
DAVEH: Which is a good way for you to imply that I am lying. :-)
Milk if you want, Dave, but consider in the very next statement I indicated
that you saw it differently,...that is not calling you a liar, but giving
latitude for our differences. Isn't that the way you want me to deal with
our differences?
Good job of emulating my tactics, Perry. Isn't that much better than
outright making an outright dumb accusation....that I am a liar! If I had
done that to you, I suspect you would have been hyper indignant that I
would say something like that. Am I bothered by it....naw. I'd much
rather see you say something like that than make a head on frontal attack
that is patently false. It keeps the tempers under control, IMO.
Wasn't it you who asked for a civil tone? Man, I am trying to keep this
civil, but you really can't stop pushing it, can you? Is it typical for you
to offer *what appears to be* a genuine apology, then continue to call me
stupid and abase me?
I would expect you to see it differently than I did, of course.
Ahhh! There you are. Giving latitude for our differences...not calling you a
liar, just agreeing to disagree.
DAVEH: That's right....I do see it differently because I pretty well know
how I think and operate....so to speak. It just isn't like me to hammer a
guy who has apologized. And...you certainly have me at the disadvantage in
searching for an instance where I did *not *hammer you after your apology.
So...until you produce firm evidence that I did, then it would appear as
you are the one being less than truthful. (Now...see how politely/nicely I
put that, Perry. I didn't outright call you a liar, but I sure left some
room for others to consider that you might be.) :-)
Why bore everyone with these details...
Perhaps other TTers can either add support to your perspective, or
mine. Does anybody remember (and can provide evidence) of me hammering
Perry a year or so ago /after /he made the *sly *apology??? Now, IF nobody
has a memory of such happening, Perry.....wouldn't it be likely that your
memory is faulty?
Yawn. Not really, because by that time most everyone had stopped following
our trite conversation. John even commented heavily on the boredom of it at
the time. Besides, it is not likely that people will remember conversations
in tedious boring mundane threads they are not participating in.
Or....do you think your memory is better than the memories of all other
TTers?
I don't know, Dave, it's pretty solid. It was our conversation, no one else
was involved, so I would expect no one else to recall it...in fact, I would
have expected that most didn't even follow it...it got pretty boring.
I'm sticking my head on the chopping block here, as there are a few TTers
who might be so biased that they view anything I say as an attack.
But....I would expect them to produce the evidence as well, to back up
their memory. Since some are so adept at digging up anti-Mormon material,
digging up one more quote from a Mormon boy should be no problem, eh.
I really doubt if anyone cares enough to do that. I don't.
Perry
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