Good points, David. Some things I had not considered. Still, even
without this example, Jesus indicates in Matthew 5:32 that the Verages
are living in adultery. The solution obviously is not for her to return
to her real husband, but the solution, just as obviosly, to me, cannot
be to continue to live in sin.
Terry
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
Both you and JD seem to think that these two
should stay in their adulterous relationship.
I want to say the same thing, for the benefit
of the children if for no other reason. Fact is
though, that I cannot reconcile that line of
reasoning with God's word.
It might also be that such is not best for the children. We would
have to consider more facts in the situation.
Nevertheless, there are many situations that could be justified by
reasoning from God's word for them to stay together. Maybe JD will
address these later.
Terry wrote:
John, the baptizer lost his head for condemning the
same situation between Herod and Herodious.
If it is wrong for Mr. and Mrs. Herod, it is wrong
for Mr. and Mrs. Verage. When John said, "You
cannot have her", the message is that God will not
approve of people living in adultery. I can find no
exception in the new testament. Could either of
you do more to justify your position? I would also
like to hear the thinking of Bill and David M. on this.
There are a lot more facts to the situation of Herod and Herodias.
For one thing, Herod was the uncle of Herodias, so there are problems
with incest laws. Also, Herodias was the wife of Herod's brother.
The Torah very specifically condemns taking the wife of one's brother
while the brother was still alive.
Leviticus 18:16
(16) Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is
thy brother's nakedness.
With the covenant at the time still being the covenant of Torah, John
the Baptist had very clear grounds for making his case against Herod,
and apparently more specifically against Herodias (because the gospels
seem to make it appear that she was most offended by John).
There are other facts to this case as well. Josephus informs us that
Herod took up with Herodias on a trip to Rome to visit his brother,
then he brought Herodias back with him. It was then, after this
adultery, that he sent his first wife back to her father, the king in
Arabia (Petra, in modern day Jordan). This caused a war to break out
between the Jews and the Arabs, and the Jews lost, suffering much
destruction. It seems to me that John was addressing the sufferings
of the people caused by Herodias, which would explain her taking
offense at John. He was basically saying that it was all her fault.
I hope you can see that this situation between Herod and Herodias is
not exactly the same situation as the sketch you gave us. In fact, it
was a lot different.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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