Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!

[Dave Hansen]

Dave, why are you arguing with Christians who many many times have told you that we believe, from scripture, that God the Father is a Spirit? DAVEH:  Because Kevin begged the an answer to his question....... If he is a MAN what is that man made of? Gingerbread? .........Then he quoted a passage to describe the Resurrected Christ........ Lu 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. ...........and then implied that I did not understand the difference between blood and bone........ When he was resurrected He became Flesh & BONE (W hat happened to the blood He is Not Spirit BUT He is also NOT Flesh & Blood right now. He is Flesh & Bone) .........I was merely trying to point out that nothing of what he posted contradicts LDS theology, and in fact supports it.   What you and Kevin apparently fail to grasp is that the God of the OT was in most instances Jesus who was (until his birth) a spirit being.  That would not preclude his Father of having a physical body of flesh and bone at the same time Jesus possessed only a spirit body!  Do you disagree, Perry?     Do you see where I am going with this?  As I understand it, you believe that Jesus and his Father are two distinct persons....is that correct?  Then, cannot one of those entities (the Father) have a physical body of flesh and bone at the same time as the other (Jesus) has a spirit body, which is what I believe was the situation in the OT?  Does that scenario contradict anything in either your beliefs or the doctrines of Protestantism as you understand them?  To me, this is a very important question which I've not heard addressed on TT.  I'd be interested in hearing your perspective, as well as that of other TTers. When you continue to ask us over and over and over why we don't think God the Father has flesh and bones, you are no longer trying to learn, and are flat out ignoring what you have been told over and over...at that point you are trying to convince us otherwise.     The reason I ask those same questions over and over is because most who attempt to answer fail to understand my question.  My above explanation is about as simply put as I can state it, so I hope it will finally sink in as to what I am asking. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, why are you arguing with Christians who many many times have told you that we believe, from scripture, that God the Father is a Spirit? You keep trying to argue with Christians on that point, which you have asked and heard the answer over and over. If you really want to know what "protestants" believe, then accept that fact, and accept the scriptures that are repeatedly used to demonstrate that to you. remeber, we get are facts from the Bible, not extra-biblical heretical works. When you continue to ask us over and over and over why we don't think God the Father has flesh and bones, you are no longer trying to learn, and are flat out ignoring what you have been told over and over...at that point you are trying to convince us otherwise. That is called proselytizing, which you claim you are not here to do! Perry From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP! Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:55:22 -0800 _*If he is a MAN what is that man made of?*_ DAVEH:   Jesus in his current resurrected state is /flesh and bone/, as you correctly stated....... _*Lu 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a *spirit* hath not* flesh and bones*, as ye see me have.*_ _*When he was resurrected He became Flesh & BONE (What happened to the blood He is Not Spirit BUT He is also NOT Flesh & Blood right now. He is Flesh & Bone)*_ ...........So why did you feel the need to suggest the *Father is NOT FLESH & BLOOD!!!!*.......it was not an issue.    However, since Jesus has a physical body of /flesh and bone/, then it might give one reason to ponder whether or not his Father in heaven might also be likewise composed. Kevin Deegan wrote: _*If he is a MAN what is that man made of?*_ *Gingerbread?* */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:     *THEREFORE as you can see, the Father is NOT FLESH & BLOOD!!!!*     DAVEH:   ???   Huh!?!?!?!    Who said anything about the *Father     *being *FLESH & BLOOD*???  Why do you make this stuff up, Kevin?     Kevin Deegan wrote:     Of course He is God always was God and if you do not think He is     God you will DIE IN YOUR SINS Jesus said so.     JN 8:24 if ye believe not that *I am* he, *ye shall die in your     sins*.          And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon     Barjona: for *flesh and blood* hath not revealed it unto thee,     *but my Father* which is in heaven.     The Father revealed it     Flesh & Blood did not reveal it     *THEREFORE as you can see, the Father is NOT FLESH & BLOOD!!!!*     **     There are many verses talking about MAN that refer to Flesh &     Blood Such as:     Hb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the *children* are *partakers of flesh     and blood*, he also himself *likewise took part of the same*;     that through death he might destroy him that had the power of     death, that is, the devil     Now notice that Jesus partook of Flesh & Blood himself when He     became manifest IN the Flesh. Previous to this point he was not     manifest as Flesh & blood.          BUT     _*Lu 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:     handle me, and see; for a *spirit* hath not* flesh and bones*, as     ye see me have.*_     _*When he was resurrected He became Flesh & BONE (What happened     to the blood He is Not Spirit BUT He is also NOT Flesh & Blood     right now. He is Flesh & Bone)*_     */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:         *Anyone can se e the physical shell that surrounded God in         the FLESH*         DAVEH:   So if that is the case, then why was not Moses         allowed to see God's face?         *How could a Mortal BODY contain ALL of the IMMORTAL         INVISIBLE OMNIPRESENT OMNISCIENT God?*         DAVEH:  By becoming an immortal resurrected being, as did         Jesus.  Do you believe Jesus currently has a physical body,         Kevin?   And, do you believe he is fully God?         Kevin Deegan wrote:         *NO Contradiction DH.*         Jesus is the PHYSICAL representation of God who is an         INVISIBLE Spirit!                  Just like no one but the High priest could go into the Holy         of Holies in the Temple but once a year. Even the High         Priest would die if he broke rules.         Anyone could see the Temple shell that surrounds the Holy of         Holies         *Anyone can see the physical shell that surrounded God in         the FLESH*         It is His physical representation it is NOT his ESSENCE         We are told that the whole universe can not contain Go d.         *How could a Mortal BODY contain ALL of the IMMORTAL         INVISIBLE OMNIPRESENT OMNISCIENT God?*         It was just the EXPRESS Image or Representation of a         LIMITLESS God in a Limited TEMPLE of FLESH! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.