Hi Dean,
Since the theme has been that of perfection, I thought
I would keep it going with a look at Hebrews 10.14. The KJV says, "For by
one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." A cursory
reading of this verse may leave one with the impression that the
"perfected" are those whose sanctification is complete: they are,
after all, "sanctified," aren't they? Well, not if one's concern is with
holding true to the "pure" word of God as set forth in the "Received
Text." In the Greek this participle is a present tense in the passive
voice. If one were desiring to reflect that voice in his translation and
thereby hold true to the grammar and intent of the "majority text," this
participle would best be translated as "those who are being
sanctified," thereby reflecting a sanctification which is passive
(i.e., the action is being performed by someone other than the subject) and
not yet complete. Hence according to this, Christ has perfected forever (a
completed action), not those who are presently sanctified (also a completed
action), but those who are in the process of being sanctified: a fairly
significant difference, it seems to me.
Bill
cd: I find it interesting that you would ask a
Wesleyan to debate Entire Sanctification even onward to Christian
Perfection.
Just a minor point of departure,
brtother, I didn't ask you to debate "Entire Sanctification"; you wanted to
see some mistakes in the KJ, and I used this verse to "discuss" one with
you. While I am intrigued by your position, I am not inclined to
debate it with you, as I have experienced the futility of that
excercise with others :>) I've enjoyed reading the rest of your post
and invite you to elaborate if you wish. I will ask questions for
clarification if any arise.
Bill
We believe that as one is sanctification upon
receiving the Lord there is yet a final Sanctification to be obtained-not
upon death but prior to death-and just as a young believer experienced
Salvation with it's first love one will know when they are entirely
sanctified. When that happens
it is almost impossible for that person to fall away-almost. Here is Paul
message to a Church in Thessalonians: 'The God of peace himself
sanctify you wholly; and may the whole of you, the spirit,the soul.and the
body be preserved blameless unto the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.' Paul
is speaking of something yet to happen which agrees with your above
statement-and shows the beauty of the KJV. Has God promised to save us from
sin while in the Body-Yes he has.But our part is to seek holiness and as God
doesn't give promises that cannot be obtained for mockery sake- this is
wit hin out grasp-as we have overcome the wicked one (1 John2:13).If you
would like to discuss this in more detail-please feel free to do so
brother:-) Also feel free to discuss other passages in the KJV as this is a
big topic. I will do that as time permits; but right
now, it's back to prison :>)
