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I liked Dean's analogy of a house. A house is complete and ready to
live in, but it also can be fixed up more and expanded and maintained.
The Bible teaches us that Jesus never sinned. He was completely
sanctified even as a child, but the Bible teaches that he grew in wisdom and
stature, and that he learned obedience by the things which he suffered.
I guess the bottom line is that you view sanctification as the process of
being made a better person. I don't. I view sanctification as being
set apart, something that is completed when we believe in Jesus Christ.
However, we continue to grow, and we continue to be set apart (sanctified) as we
live and move in him.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:45
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
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David -- I do not understand your logic here. If
you admit that our sanctification is ongoing - how could you
possibly argue that it is, at the same time,
completed? "I am being made a better person"
presents an action that is not completed and that appears to to be obvious, to
me. Why is this not the case with "being sanctified?"
Jd -----Original
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[email protected]Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:56:58
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Bill wrote:
> Per this verse, it is our sanctification
> which is not yet complete.
How do you read this into the text? Nothing
in this passage indicates that our present sanctification is somehow
incomplete. Granted, our sanctification may be ongoing, but to argue
that a present tense indicates incompleteness is going beyond what is
indicated by this text.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:19
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
corrector/revisor
Well actually, "by one offering" is a
prepositional phrase and not the subject of the sentence. The third person
singular aspect of teteleioken
conveys the subject of the sentence: "he"; but I don't expect you to agree
with that, and I certainly don't expect you to be able to
understand it.
Nevertheless, nothing I have said should lead
you to the conclusion that I believe the one offering is not complete. Per
this verse, it is our sanctification which is not yet complete. But I don't
expect you to understand that either.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005
11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
corrector/revisor
The subject of the sentence 10:14 is the ONE OFFERING
so Bill is saying it is "Not yet Complete" Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com> wrote:
I don't speculate on all that Bill because in
my understanding the active part of
sanctification requires
the cooperation of the one being sanctified;
the kind of cooperation an unbeliever would be unable to
give.
That's fine, Judy, but who in this
discussion has argued that to sanctify does not mean the same as to
set apart? That is not even a point of contention. Do you agree that
this participle in Heb 10.14
reflect a sanctification which is passive (i.e., the action is
being performed by someone other than the subject) and not yet
complete? Bill
I have no idea what you are talking about
Bill. However I do understand Hebrews 10:14
and the word "sanctified" in this instance
means "set apart" in the same way that an unbelieving
wife is "set
apart" in 1 Cor 7:14 which is
"set apart in the sense that she is become the object of
focus because of the faith and influence of
her husband. It would be impossible for her to be
sanctified in any other sense because she
remains unregenerated and dead
in her trespass and
sin.
Fair enough. Do you accept the
present passive thrust of this verb? My impression is that you do
not.
Bill
Are you living in some kind of delusion
Bill?
My understanding of that text remains
the same as it was, so please let's deal with reality
here
rather than presumption. jt
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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