cd: We choose each day to put on the new man or the old man-Walk in Holiness or return to sin.This is not saying we haven't changed it is to warn not to return to sin as the old man did.
My point is this: the old and the new man BOTH continue to exist. That is a clearly stated reality in this passage. What defines the old man? Sin. The difference between me and the unsaved is that I have a choice - a "second nature." As relates to II Co 5:17 -- IN CHRIST our becoming new is a completed task. Such does not mean that sin in our lives is non-existent. We cannot understand if we forget the prophectical description of the new law -- ".... I will forgive their iniquity and remember their sins no more" (Jere 331:34.) . Consider also these words -- Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account" (Ro 4:8).
Or what about I Co 3:1ff?
cd: Paul is speaking to a church which is regressing into sin.Paul is giving then milk because they cannot receive the stronger word of truth. This is in no way stating a born again believer retains the old man.
Huh ??? My goodness, Dean , if we don't even have the same definition of "carnal" and "not spiritual" and "babe IN Christ," how can we have a discussion? This is not even close. Of course the old man is still present. Carnality simply does not extend from any other "source" than the "old man." How is that wrong?? The only reason you are denying this is that it does not fit into your system of theology.
Or Romans 3:23?
cd: Yes all have sinned-but in the past-v25"...,to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,through the forbearance of God.
No, you have not consider the entire vers !! Why ?? We HAVE SINNED and we CONTINUE TO FALL SHORT of His glory. Past tense and then, present tense. The "falling short of His glory" is not just talking about sin, but the context of the statement is obviously one of "sin," and, therefore, must be a part of the consideration IMO.
Or the confirmation to the SAINTS IN Romans that there is none who are righteous, no not one?
Cd: Read the rest of the Paragraph-One cannot take one sentence to form a doctorine-He is talking to the lost-v.11...there are none that seek after God. Is this also true-Do you seek after God? v12 ...There is none that does Good. Did Jesus do good? Did Paul do good?Have you helped the poor? Then who is this talking to if not the lost.v.18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.. Do you fear God? I do. So who is their referring to if not the lost. Your teaching would have us believe it should read. There is no fear of God before our eyes.
Com'on Dean. It is not the verses within this O.T. quote that should be compared !! Rather, it is the purpose for the full quotation and what is that declared purpose? Look to verse 9. ...... To show that all, Jew and Gentile are under sin. What law changes this fact -- what law declares some to be free from sin? The law of works (read: obedience) or the law of faith (3:27)? You read, you decide.
Luke 1;6 And they were both righteous before God...
I really do not know how to talk with one who is proof-texting literalist, but I will give it a shot. First, the scriptures that have been presented tell us that these parents of John the B were righteous BY COMPARISON to others. Now, before you choke, let me give you a second thought> If you don't agree with that , I could allow for this statement to be literally and absolutely true. That would change nothing except to give us two exceptions to the RULE of scripture. But wait !!! There is another point of consideration. DID CHRIST'S DEATH benefit these two in the same way it benefited all of mankind? I mean -- did Christ die for their sins? I say yes.
Romans 5:19..so by the obedience of one many shall be made righteous.
My salvation is secured and secure by the obedience of one man -- and that would not be me. Personal obedience , from me, is not a cry for salvation but the result of the movement of the Spirit of God within (Philip 2:12-13; John 3:21)
cd: Respectifully-If any words in the Bible doesn't agree with ones belief then it is our duty to search out why-do this and live.
Seems like you need to practice your own preaching, there, Yon Kipper.
Hey Terry -- does any of this sound like the writing of someone who does not know what he believes?
