Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean
DAVEH: Thank you for quoting me accurately, Perry. Now let's
analyze the possible answers. From Dean's perspective, are they
not......
1) Yes
2) No
3) I don't know.
......It was a simple question that can easily be answered by any of
the three above choices. To imply that there is any other answer is
reading something into the question that was not asked. IFF you want
to imagine the question implies something beyond what it simply
asks....that is your mind working overtime and reflects your own
bad behavior, Perry! If anybody in TT is self righteous Perry,
I'd suggest it isn't me. If you've forgotten already, I'm the one
who's been criticized for admitting to being a sinner. And I still am,
in case you are interested. So....me claiming righteousness!?!?!?!
Hardly. I'm merely pointing out a bit of Christian hypocrisy in TT.
If that bothers you....ask yourself why.
Hmmmmm.........I assume you do admit that there is Christian
hypocrisy here? Perhaps you don't recognize it despite me pointing
out several examples of it. Do you want to really discuss truth,
Perry? If so....is it true that Christian hypocrisy exists on
TT? Do you agree with me on that point? A simple yes or no
should suffice. (Note: I've changed the subject line in case you
want to pursue this thread.)
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Wake up folks...when Dave said, "Do you suppose CPL
will know anything about them, Dean", the implication was that Izzy
and I were intimate. How else would I know about her sexual
experiences. Get off your self-righteous horse, Dave, and own
your bad behavior.
Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:00:29 -0800
DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me intruding on your discussion with
John, Dean. Since you are referring to me and since the subject line
is obviously meant to highlight what I may or may not have said, I feel
it is within my right to respond to your accusations.
*DUH-Tell us of your sexual experiences Izzy-Duh*
DAVEH: Is this supposed to be a quote of me, Dean??? If so, you have
misquoted both my words and the nature of my comment. Since I never
said the above, I can only assume you are making this up in an effort
to discredit what I really did say. Furthermore, since this is *not*
what I said, I believe you owe me a retraction and an apology, Dean.
It does appear that when a legitimate case against me based on my
own words cannot be made, some people feel compelled to contrive both
my words and my intentions in order to condemn me. Otherwise, why
would you (Dean) feel the need to fabricate what you think I said?
Could it be that you are desperately looking for an excuse
to........
kick his arrogant butt off this site-
......and will go to extreme lengths to attempt to prove your point?
If so, then lying about what I said is somewhat incongruous to the
assumed nature of TruthTalk. Perry seems amazed that I said that my
intent of coming to TT was /*not*/ to learn truth. Surely he can see
the lies that are promulgated here in the name of truth.....and for
what purpose? To toss a Mormon off TT? Is that why you would lie
about what I said, Dean? If so, I'm rather disappointed in your hopes.
Listen Dean.....If you think I said anything that deserves being
kicked off TT, or even rebuked for what I post on TT.....just post my
comments for all to see and judge. But PLEASE do *not* lie about what
I say or post.
FWIW.....I feel I've treated Izzy and everybody else on TT,
including you Dean, with at least the same respect that I've received
from them. If you really think I should be booted from TT for saying
nothing more disrespectful to Izzy than she said to me, then do you
feel that *YOU* should be booted from TT for misquoting what I said?
Logically, that would seem appropriate. But I implore our
moderator not to do so. Nor do I want you to leave TT because I am
here....and oil and water don't mix, so to speak. Though we certainly
disagree on many/most things (as I do with virtually all TTers), you do
add a high level element of entertainment to TT, Dean. :-)
Furthermore, you provide me with a very intriguing insight to what
makes a true street preacher tick. That's something I can't easily get
elsewhere. To me, you are fascinating and give me a glimpse into the
psyche of somebody who has such diametrically opposed beliefs as mine,
and is willing to go to extremes to convince others of his
righteousness. Hmmmmm........that may be the wrong word, but at the
moment can't think of one more appropriate.
Do you understand why I am saying this, Dean? You effectively
accuse others of lying........
*Did she advice & nbsp;me to butt out- or are you lying again? *
.......yet you do the same thing when misquoting me. To me that is
simply fascinating! Rather than TT being a place (as Perry seems to
perceive it) where truth is found, it seems to have evolved into a
hotbed of hypocritical Christianity where untruths abound and a double
standard is used to promote one's agenda.
Now for the TTers who are following this, you may be wondering what
ax I'm grinding at this point. Perry has been critical of my comments
about being on TT to learn about Protestants' beliefs rather than the
truth.........
/*It is not that Dave is a mormon. That is an unfortunate coincidence.
It is that he has behaved arrogantly.* It is that has insulted most all
on this forum by arrogantly stating that "he is not here to learn the
truth, he is here to learn what protestants believe".* It is that *he
has said he is here to learn, but after being told over and over, he
fails to learn.**/
.........As I've followed many of the posts of TT over the years, it is
readily apparent that few TTers really do agree with each other. If
they all did, it would probably make for some rather uninteresting
posts! Those who do post often are sharing a contrasting belief. In
effect, that means that at most one of the posters is correct, and they
may both be wrong for that matter. And the threads often times tend
to go on, and on, and on.....tediously seemingly forever. If such
threads really teach truth....then why is there no end upon which the
participants can agree to anything other than disagreement???
So....why do people stay on TT? Is it to learn truth, or is it to
disagree with somebody else's version of the truth? IMO, the second
reason is the more likely. How many TTers have changed their beliefs
because of what they read/learned on TT? I would imagine it is
precious few. We tend to come to TT with the beliefs that have
previously become ingrained into our thinking, and simply being on TT
is little reason to change our thinking. In fact, it would be
hazardous to change our thinking just because of what we hear on TT, as
the general populace here is somewhat way out of sync with the real
(theological) world, it seems. If you don't believe me, then ask
yourself how many non-TT Christians would tolerate (perhaps
/appreciate/ would be a better way of saying it) the recent discussion
some TTers have had under the corrector/revisor banner.....
/*I have not left off the present passive aspect. In English, we don't
conjugate the participle this way, but the phrase is clear enough for
those of us who understand English. It carries over the present tense
and passive voice just fine.*/
.........Yikes! I thought I understood English....but now I'm not so
sure! Now, I didn't quote that to demean anything DavidM or anybody
else has said under this thread. I merely am trying to make a case
that the /truth/ talked about on TruthTalk is so esoteric and
un-understandable to the average dummy like me, that it is ridiculous
to think/expect/believe one comes to TT to learn truth. However, I'm
not criticizing those who come here thinking that is their reason, or
who think their cup will overfloweth with so much truthy stuff that
they will be overwhelmingly edified. If some TTers really do find a
nugget of truth now and then....good for them. I just don't think the
truth of TruthTalk is as easily discerned as some might think.
Which is why I find it interesting that some TTers criticize me for
saying that I am here to learn about what Protestants believe, and why
they believe such. I've just got to tell you that my experience here
over the years has fulfilled my goal so much more than I think /truth/
is learned by those TTers who come for that reason alone.
Do any street preachers on TT come for learning truth they don't
already know? Not that I can see. If anything, TT seems to be a
hunting ground for them. Maybe they are just sharpening their teeth
on easy prey while they await the next opportunity to wave underwear in
an effort to offend others. As I see it, any truth they may truly want
to impart is obfuscated by their obnoxious behavior. So I ponder what
motivates them. To me that is fascinating as well, and justifies my
reasons for being here.
It is certainly eye-opening to me to see the tactics some street
preachers use. And I am amazed by it all. I sometimes wonder if I
would see anything similar had I lived 2000 years ago. Question:
Would Jesus have embraced street preachers, or been embarrassed by
them? These are things I ponder as I see how some SPs behave.
This brings me back to my previous comment regarding /hypocritical
Christians/. Do they exist on TT? Seems so to me.... :-(
Does anybody care to disagree?
Dean Moore wrote:
----- Original Message -----
*From:*
*To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* 11/26/2005 9:35:52 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.
First , your last sentence sounds like any number of people I
know. Secondly - I am a husband who would defend his wife
even to the point of violence. I missed the part where DH spoke
to Linda as if she were a whore. Where was that
statement? *DUH-Tell us of your sexual experiences Izzy-Duh* And
why are you taking offense at something for which Linda is
not? Simple you don't talk to women like that around me-and then
there are the sinful overtone. Finally, you have offered advice to
a women (Linda) who has asked us all to move on. Did you miss
that point? Sooooo, why don't you take her advice and butt
out.*Did she advice & nbsp;me to butt out- or are you lying
again? * Why don't you make me butt out mouth.
Jd -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:05:36 -0500
Subject: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.
cd:My advice is for Izzy to show this to here husband-and let him
resolve
this matter. Then the snake in the grass will learn respect for a
decent
women and not to try and speak to her as one would a whore. He is not
sorry
for anything-as he has no morality.Don't even know right from wrong and
apparently neither does a few others on this list-no discernment even
to
seeing no problem with asking a women such questions-even another mans
wife-evil wicked hearted people claiming to be children of God that
cannot
even receive the milk of the word-and yet defend their ignorance with
more
ignorance.
[Original Message]
From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:cpl2602%40hotmail.com>>
To: <[email protected]
<mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>>
Date: 11/25/2005 11:06:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
John, Izzy opened the door, and has realized that and apologized for it
(maybe you missed that post). It was DH that walked through that door
and took it to the gutter.
Perry
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:knpraise%40aol.com>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
<mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>To: [email protected]
<mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
>Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:50:46 -0500
>
>
>
>Hey tough guy, it was Linda Shields who open the door to this
thread
--
>not DH.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:cd_moore%40earthlink.net>>
>To: [email protected]
<mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:01:31 -0500
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Lance Muir
>To: [email protected]
<mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Sent: 11/25/2005 8:31:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
>
>
>Ahhhhhhhhh and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the
>illustration, Dean.
>cd; There are some things that one is just to fight over-My family
was >places under my care and protection-by God. It is my duty to do
so even >against those who have no decent icy or morals to speak to
another man
wife
>as a whore.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dean Moore
>To: [email protected]
<mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Sent: November 25, 2005 08:21
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
>
>
>cd: You are speaking to the wife of another man-try that with mine
and I >will be on your door step in a couple of days-go ahead and
ask her she
will
>be reading your next response!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dave
>To: [email protected]
<mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Sent: 11/24/2005 11:30:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
>
>
>RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences
>
>DAVEH: Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them,
Dean!?!?!?!
> ;-)
>
>Dean Moore wrote:
>cd: Where is our monitor? Charles?
>
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences
>
>
>Hardly. J
>
>
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:TruthTalk-owner%40mail.innglory.org>
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:TruthTalk-owner%40mail.innglory.org>] On Behalf Of Dave
>Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:16 PM
>To: [email protected]
<mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences
>You know I'll tell!
>
>DAVEH: Wow Izzy......I am rather surprised to hear you say
that! But
it
>is nice to know you are not so
hypocritical that you would not be
willing
>to post on TT such personal things as
you expect me to share. Now that
I
>think about it Izzy, I'm sure it
would be much more interesting for
TTers
>to hear about your sexual experiences
than mine. Do tell!
>:-[
>
>ShieldsFamily wrote:
>You know I'll tell! :-)
>
>
>
>DAVEH: Do you really think it is appropriate to discuss such
personal >things on a public forum that is known for its lack of
taste at times?
If
>you really want to know the answer to
personal questions such as that, >contact me off-Forum and I'll
answer your question.
>
>ShieldsFamily wrote:
>So DO you???
>
>
>
>I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too.
>
>DAVEH: That is not my understanding, nor would I think anybody
else
(LDS)
>understands it that way.
However....it is not a topic I've discussed
with
>others, nor have I ever heard it
discussed in any LDS meetings I've >attended or in other official
discussions.
>
> There are numerous instances where it is not appropriate to
wear
them,
>viz., playing basketball, swimming,
etc.
>
>ShieldsFamily wrote:
>How about during sex, DaveH? I?ve read that you?re supposed to
leave
them
>on then, too. True or false? izzy
>
>
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:TruthTalk-owner%40mail.innglory.org>
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:TruthTalk-owner%40mail.innglory.org>] On Behalf Of Dave
Hansen
>Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:31 AM
>To: [email protected]
<mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!
>The Mormons have to leave them on even while taking a bath-They
slide
them
>to one side and wash one half of
their bodies at a time.
>
>DAVEH: Hmmmmmmm.........I continue to learn by my presence on
TT. >That's one I haven't tried yet, Dean! :-D
>
> Note to Perry: Like I said, I'm here to learn what
Protestants
(and
>Dean, if he isn't a P) believe. If
nothing else, learning that you
folks
>believe such things as this is a
constant form of entertainment!
:-)
>
>Dean Moore wrote:
>Just asking ------- who said anything about being drunk? I
mean,
you
>guys wave men's underwear around , so
why not chew. Whatever.
>cd: You had mentioned me "sobering up" before- I don't chew
tobacco-And
the
>Mormons claim that their underwear is
Holy-a sign of their royal >Melchizedek Priesthood which is worn
under their clothing as we are not >worthy to view these holy
objects-They are easy to obtain for the local >pawn shops as many
are getting rid of them. We hold them up and declare >that true
holiness is to live by the gospel of Christ which is an inner
>cleanliness not an outer cleanliness. The Mormons have to leave
them on >even while taking a bath-They slide them to one side and
wash one half
of
>their bodies at a time.
>
>
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