Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

[Blainerb473]

In a message dated 12/4/2005 8:53:33 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JSmith sounds like he is trying to paraphrase real scriptures, but he has twisted the meaning in the process.  That is not as obvious as you make it sound. When you read the entire record, you see there is a great deal that is entirely new in the writings of the BoM.  On the other hand, if Jesus said it to the Jews, why would he not say the same to other branches of the house of Israel?   If it sounds like he was paraphrasing, I suggest it is because he was very familiar with biblical scripture, and used that language to express the thoughts written in the ancient language he translated from.  He came from a hard-working, bible-reading family.  Books of other types were not readily available to these people who spent their days in the fields earning their daily bread.  It is therefore no surprise to me that he wrote after the manner of biblical scripture.    The Sabbath, among other things, is not complete.  Just as half of the OT festivals have already been fulfilled by Jesus , the other half have not yet been fulfilled, but they foretell what He is going to do. The only festivals that may fit your theory are those associated with the seventh Jewish calendar month--ie, the Feast of Trumpets on the first day, the Day of Atonement on the 10th day, and Tabernacles on the 15th day.    All others seem to have been fulfilled either by him, or later by the apostles. None of these seem to refer to the Sabbath.  BTW, I am partially inclined to agree with you that all has not been fulfilled--the gold plates were first delivered to the Prophet JS on the day of the Feast of Trumpets.  JS never pointed this out--not sure he even knew it--but it is true.  Check it out--September 22, 1827.      Sabbath rest is, I believe, looking forward to the day when Christ reigns in the millennium on the earth—when all the earth will be a peace and rest; complete in Him.  The world labors six thousand years, and rests in Him during the 7th thousand years.  That’s one thing the Sabbath rest reminds us of—we joyfully look forward to that day when the lion lies down with the lamb and the earth is a peace.   True, but then John also foresaw the time when the millennium would be ended, and the earth would be purified and glorified to become the abode of the righteous forever.  This would be symbolized by the resurrection from the dead, of which Christ was the first--and it happened on the first day of the week--Sunday.  The renewal of all things was also symbolized on that day--the Lord's day.  BTW. we Mormons do not actually call Sunday "the Sabbath"  --it is referred to in our scriptures as "the Lord's Day."  This would suggest the actual Sabbath as indicated in OT writings had not been destroyed, but simply shifted to a new day by  the New Covenant, administered not by a Levite priest after the order of Aaron, but one of the seed of Judah, holding a higher Priesthood,  after the order of Melchizedek.  To put this in perspective, Iz, which is greater, the creation itself, or the creator?  Jesus was none other than the great "I Am," who gave the law--he therefore was the only one who could change it.    Meantime, we celebrate a little glimpse of that Kingdom rest during our busy week, and contemplate what He has already done to help us enter into that peace.  iz   With this, I can totally agree!!!  Hope you enjoy your Seventh Day Sabbath.   Blainerb   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:12 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm   In a message dated 12/4/2005 4:51:05 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where’d you get that quote—Jsmith? iz   -therefore it hath an end in me. Blainerb      Izzy, I can see you will not accept anything from Joseph Smith or whatever from Mormon writings, but let's just reason together, OK?  Just ask yourself this question:    if I pay you an agreed upon sum for a car, isn't the deal ended when I pay up?  In other words, If I make a deal, or, a contract (covenant), between myself and another person, once the terms of the contract have been fulfilled, wouldn't that end it?? Likewise, why would there be any need to continue a covenant/law that was, in the first place, given to teach of Jesus Christ, if the covenant/law was fulfilled in Him?  It should be a forgone conclusion that the law will end upon its being fulfilled.  If it has done its job, why continue with it?  See below, if you have the stomach for reading Mormon's record of the sayings of Jesus Christ to the American-based children of Israel:   3 Nephi 12:17; 15:3-5 Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets.  I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. . . .  Behold, I am he that gave the law, and I am he that covenanted with my people Israel;  Therefore, the law in me is fulfilled, for I have come to fulfill the law.  Therefore it hath an end (in me).    If you have read this far, maybe you might read further (you might as well, since you're almost through anyway :>)   "3 Nephi 9:18-20   I am the light and the life of the world . . . And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices or burnt offerings. And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit .