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But apparently it leaves us bereft in our own personal
mess at least in your economy Lance since
you are wanting to allude to and/or point out or at
least have others confess their own sin on TT ...
For what purpose?
THE VICARIOUS HUMANITY OF CHRIST WOULD MOST
ASSUREDLY INCLUDE THE GARDEN, kevin!
Blaine what is all this Talk
about PAYING for SINS in the GARDEN?
And what is this great drops of
Blood sweat thing have to do with Atonement?
"The Savior ATONED for our sins by
suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It
is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our
sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused
him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from
every pore (see D&C 19:18-19). " Gospel Principles,
Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints, 1979, pg. 66
"Jesus then went into the Garden of Gethsemane. There he
suffered most. He suffered greatly on the cross, of course, but
other men had died by crucifixion; in fact, a man hung on either side of him
as he died on the cross. But no man, nor set of men, nor all men put
together, ever suffered what the Redeemer suffered in the garden. He went
there to pray and suffer'" (Conference Report, Marion Romney, First
Presidency, October 1953, Pg.35).
"suffered as only as God would suffer, bearing our griefs,
carrying our sorrows, being wounded for our transgressions, voluntarily
submitting Himself to the iniquity of us all, just as Isaiah
prophesied."
"It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on
Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was
equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He
descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him"
(Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.15).
"Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he
bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever
had or ever would repent" ("The Promised Messiah," Bruce R. McConkie pg.
337)
"In a garden called Gethsemane, outside Jerusalem's
walls, in agony beyond compare, he took upon himself the sins of all
men on condition of repentance." ("The Promised Messiah,"
Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie pg. 552)
"And as he came out of the Garden, delivering himself voluntarily into
the hands of wicked men, the victory had been won. There remained yet the
shame and the pain of his attest, his trials, and his
cross. But all these were overshadowed by the agonies and
sufferings in Gethsemane. It was on the
cross that he 'suffered death in the flesh,' even as many have suffered
agonizing deaths, but it was in Gethsemane that "he suffered the pain of all
men, that all men might repent and come unto him." "The
Mortal Messiah," McConkie pg. 127-128
Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of
Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement, Friend,
Mar. 1989, 39
BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible!
A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of
Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the
shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross.
Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and
under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the
Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of
Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look when
centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And
certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by
men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and,
perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the
triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in
Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary 1:774)
The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on the
cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M. Nelson,
His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)
the preaching of the
CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are
saved it is the power of God 1 Co 1:18
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just
like stars better. :>) Blainerb
Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of
Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement,
Friend, Mar. 1989, 39
"The Savior atoned for our sins
by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross.
It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our
sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused
him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from every pore
(see D&C 19:18-19). " Gospel Principles, Corporation of the
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg.
66
BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A
Bible! A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount
of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the
shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross.
Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and
under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the
Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of
Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look when
centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And
certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by
men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and,
perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the
triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in
Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary
1:774)
The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on
the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M.
Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)
we are Reconciled thru the cross
Col 1:20 having made
peace through the blood of his cross, by
him to reconcile all things unto himself
Eph 2:16 that he might
reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross
Our debt nailed to the cross
Col 2:14 Blotting out the
handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us,
and took it out of the way, nailing it to his
cross
He bore our sins on the cross
1 Pt 2 Who his own self
bare our sins in his own body on the
tree
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just
like stars better. :>)
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:12:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The cats out of the bag:
Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are of
those that the Bible says are ENEMIES of the Cross whose END is
DESTRUCTION!
Galatians 6:14 But
God forbid that I should glory, save in the
cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is
crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Ph 3 Brethren, be followers together
of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an
ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now
tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of
Christ: Whose end is destruction,
whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their
shame, who mind earthly things.)
You are an example of those that mind earthly things such
as your LUSTFUL MIND.
What specifically is so WIERD here? Except for ENEMIES
that is.
On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
The emblem of
suffering and shame;
And I love that old cross where the dearest
and best
For a world of lost sinners was slain.
Refrain
So Iâll cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my
trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged
cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.
O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
Has a
wondrous attraction for me;
For the dear Lamb of God left His glory
above
To bear it to dark Calvary.
Refrain
In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
A
wondrous beauty I see,
For âtwas on that old cross Jesus suffered
and died,
To pardon and sanctify me.
Refrain
To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;
Its shame and
reproach gladly bear;
Then Heâll call me some day to my home far
away,
Where His glory forever Iâll share.
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