Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:52:47 -0800

 
 
 
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From: Dean Moore
To: [email protected]
Sent: 12/15/2005 2:19:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

 
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Sent: 12/14/2005 2:22:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

EXACTLY what he finds weird.

DAVEH:   WWJD.........

    Have you ever wondered if Jesus feels like.......

I will cling to the old rugged cross

.........again.........or........do you think he wants to be reminded of.......

The emblem of suffering and shame

...........it he experienced on it?  Do you think Jesus feels the cross........

Has a wondrous attraction.......

.........For.......

'twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,

....which may not be something our Lord needs to be reminded about, so why do Christians think he'll..........
 
cd: Here is the truth of Mormonism-they do not view themselves as Christians-They make that claim to draw Christians away from Christ but as shown here DaveH does not view himself as a Christian-I have found with dealing with Mormons that they are snakes in the grass-Snakes use the grass to hide themselves until one get close enough then they bite but in this case the harm is to the soul. That is why Mormons want to be called brothers as we will lower our guard around a loving brother.  This is why the bible instructs us not to eat nor fellowship with false prophets it is for our protection not theirs.He that is able to hear let him hear. I also noticed at the Mormon Church I attended (only once to see if these things I heard were true)in Franklin, NC that when the Mormons partook of the Lords supper that water was used instead of wine -or grape juice-but the bread was used. Why was the blood removed from the ceremony-as without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin-does this ha ve anything to do with their dislike for the cross? I'll bet Satan hates the cross for it is also a symbol of his defeat?

........cherish the old rugged cross,

.......Unless they feel he needs to be reminded of......
 
cd: Here it is again. "they" is referring to Christians-He is making a distinction between us (Mormons) and they (Christians).Yet earlier he lied and said he was a Christian. Clearly he does not view himself as such. Why is he here  if not to promote Mormonism that is why he invited me to attend the Mormon church as He did to Judy a few days back-To bring us away from the cross that Mormons dispise.So when Dave calls you brother does he really mean it or is it just another lie "they".

The emblem of suffering and shame;

.......it represents. 

    IFF it wouldn't be surprising that Jesus would find such thinking weird, then why wouldn't Christians consider the feelings Jesus may have about the cross?
cd: Then tell me why does Jesus wears the marks of the cross on his body? Thomas was told to touch the nail prints in his hands and to trust his hand into the spear mark in his side-Christ wears them so that we will remember to give his glory for our salvation on the cross-that is why the cross is mentioned many times in the NT.The Cross is for the glory of Christ who went humbly there to die as a lamb lead to the slaughter.Yet Mormons claim that Smith was as a lamb lead to the slaughter-while killing two men and seriously wounding a third to keep from dying so he could keep from meeting God. John the Baptist according to history-on the other hand ran and placed his heard on the chopping block to meet God. Something strange is going on in Mormonland.

Kevin Deegan wrote:
Still waiting on Blaines explanation of EXACTLY what he finds weird.

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
THE OLD RUGGED CROSS
On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
The emblem of suffering and shame;
And I love that old cross where the dearest and best
For a world of lost sinners was slain.
So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.
O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
Has a wondrous attraction for me;
For the dear Lamb of God left His glory above
To bear it to dark Calvary.
So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.
In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
A wondrous beauty I see,
For 'twas on that old cr oss Jesus suffered and died,
To pardon and sanctify me.
So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.
To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;
Its shame and reproach gladly bear;
Then He'll call me some day to my home far away,
Where His glory forever I'll share.
So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my t rophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.
Yes, a lost person would think that those lyrics are “weird”, indeed.  iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, “He Loved Me with a Cross”.  iz
One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross.  It seemed  to glorify the cross in a negative way.  I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :>)
Blainerb 

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