Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles

Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:44:48 -0800

 
 
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:25:51 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to Dean:
Amen Judy ?????   Get a life.  
 
You are one insulting somebody JD.
 
Judy writes as if she knows the reading habits of the Bereans or the Apostle John.  Since John is so
obviously writing to those who are not of Jewish traditional thought,  I would say his reading of others
is substantial.  
 
Oh? so now the unlearned disciples have all of a sudden become scholars according to JD. John and
his brother James, sons of Zebedee, fishermen on the sea of Galilee are now Seminary grads and
know all about cultural distinctions and all that.  I guess Peter had learned all this before giving his
address on the day of Pentecost also .....  Get a grip JD.
 
Paul is admittedly well read.   What I do know is this  -  you and Judy speak of that which you cannot
know. 
 
Why not?  We have the mind of Christ don't we?  Or are you, like Lance going to negate every promise
to us since we do not speak in accord with your great learning? 
 
You attach your interpretation of [even] historical conisiderations  to your sense of reality and then, insist
it is truth.   Ridiculous in many instances.   jd
 
It may appear ridiculous to you JD but then God takes pleasure in hiding things from those who think
themselves wise and prudent and He likes revealing things to babes.
 
 
I have yet to hurl an epithet anywhere Lance. My objection to Calvinism is for some very specific reasons with or
without "firsthand knowledge or intricate and specific detail" about Calvin the man. His teachings are enough. I will
leave the man to God.  I have no desire to be an expert on John Calvin the man or any other anti-Christ (meaning in
place of) figure for that matter and this would include Athanasius, Augustine, Aquinas, et al. along to the present
Papacy both rc and protestant.  I am happy to leave you to tend to them while I press on to know the Lord and the
power of His resurrection in my daily life.
 
cd: Amen Judy for their fruits are enough-Studying their teaching apart from their works is the reason those -who support Calvin-on this site are confused. We see their work so we have no need for their teachings. We don't have to study the Satanic Bible to know our enemy for truth sheds a bright light on him already. The Bible teaches to look at their fruits and their works is what God Judges every man by-so we can also use God tool to know them.
 
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:12:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Were I prone to worry Judy, YOU would not be among those about whom I would. Why? I perceive you to be a completely and utterly genuine believer, who esteems the Scriptures highly and who lives what she believes. Now, when it comes to the hurling of epithets at those servants of God about whom you possess no firsthand knowledge, I'd put you alongside DaveH and Blainer and their knowledge of the TRUE GOSPEL. (Believe it or not, this is a sort of compliment, Judy)
 
I wonder if the Bereans had done any reading of primary source material when they examined what Paul preached.
Also the apostle John, I wonder if he had read source material when he exhorted 1st Century Christians not to even
wish a false teacher "godspeed" for if they did they would be a "partaker of his evil deeds"  If I were prone to worry
you would worry me Lance. You are more concerned about these men than you are about Jesus Himself and the
ministry of the Spirit of Christ.  IMO you need to do more primary reading from the source of all Truth - then you
will more accurately be qualified to discern between good and evil.  Your qualifications are not those of Christ.
 
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:26:28 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
YOU JUDY are not entitled to call it anything, IMO. You've not done, insofar as I know, any reading of primary source material (2 vol Institutes, Commentaries). It's akin to hearing an atheist condemn the teachings of the Scriptures based upon the same sort of evidentiary inquiry that you've conducted with John Calvin.  
 
Would Calvinistic heresay be acceptable Lance?  Where did the doctrine called Calvinism come from if not from
him?  What should we call doctrine taken from his institutes and taught in our 20th Century Churches?  Can I call
it teachings of Calvin that Lance calls hearsay?
 
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:07:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
With apologies (sort of) in advance to David Miller and Linda Shields, I ask you once again, Judy: Do you believe that you are MORE DISCERNING THAN JOHN CALVIN?  IMO, your regard for Scriptures appears to be second to nobody on TT. (regard NOT being the same thing as understanding). However, you do indeed appear to read/study and live it insofar as you are enabled. Scripture is a primary source for you. Amen! for that. Now, other than the blessed internet, how much of John Calvin's own writings, have you actually read. Do you possess anything whatsoever by him? If all that you know of him would be classed as 'hearsay' then do cease and desist from your unfounded allegations hereafter. Stick to that which you claim to understand, please?. 
 
Sure they do, they camp around John Calvin don't they?  Why do you think there are so many
different doctrines all claiming to be the truth?
 
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the woods?
 
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CPL, Are [Bible] readers who believe that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the already converted 'sums up the Law and Prophets' Christian/s?
 
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:01:39 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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Matt 7:11 is a scripture that is used to encourage people to seek the Baptism in the Holy Spirit... jt
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for reference:
7:12So in everything, do [the good] to others [t]hat you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
 
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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